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Re: interpretation help
#austria-czech
hpgrab@...
See my previous message to his sister. In this entry below you will find
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a note that the parents got married on Feb 23, 1852 (after the abolition of the Familianten-law), so that the child may have the name of the father Schwartz >from this time on. Best Hanus Grab Am 29.09.2019 um 08:06 schrieb Philip Moravcik <morav@hawaii.edu>:
Hi, Can anyone make head or tails of the notation on my ancestor
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Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: interpretation help
#austria-czech
hpgrab@...
See my previous message to his sister. In this entry below you will find
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a note that the parents got married on Feb 23, 1852 (after the abolition of the Familianten-law), so that the child may have the name of the father Schwartz >from this time on. Best Hanus Grab Am 29.09.2019 um 08:06 schrieb Philip Moravcik <morav@hawaii.edu>:
Hi, Can anyone make head or tails of the notation on my ancestor
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Dutch Railroad Reckons with Holocaust Shame 75 Years Later
#germany
John Paul Lowens <jplowens@...>
German railroads were an instrumental part in the Nazi machine of
transporting Jews and others to the death and work camps of World War ll. The Dutch railway , Nederlandse Spoorwegen, or N.S. participated in the Nazi scheme, regardless that the Dutch government in exile in London ordered the railway workers to strike -- which they did for 8 months. The strike occurred after 107,000 Jewish residents of the Netherlands were already deported to the extermination camps. Others deported included the Sinti, Roma, gay men and lesbians, disabled and resistance fighters. As reported in the New York Times, a new book, _The Dutch Railroad in Wartime, 1939-1945_ clarifies the role of the Dutch railways. The research found that 112 Dutch trains went >from the Netherlands to nine Nazi camps >from June 1942 to August 1944 covering Germany, Austria, and Poland. To read the article and learn more about Dutch railroad complicit actions with the Nazis, see: https://tinyurl.com/y659zesl or https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/28/world/europe/ns-dutch-railway-holocaust.html We have no affiliation with the book on the Dutch Railroad and are sharing this information solely for the information of the reader. Thanks to Jan Meisels Allen, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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German SIG #Germany Dutch Railroad Reckons with Holocaust Shame 75 Years Later
#germany
John Paul Lowens <jplowens@...>
German railroads were an instrumental part in the Nazi machine of
transporting Jews and others to the death and work camps of World War ll. The Dutch railway , Nederlandse Spoorwegen, or N.S. participated in the Nazi scheme, regardless that the Dutch government in exile in London ordered the railway workers to strike -- which they did for 8 months. The strike occurred after 107,000 Jewish residents of the Netherlands were already deported to the extermination camps. Others deported included the Sinti, Roma, gay men and lesbians, disabled and resistance fighters. As reported in the New York Times, a new book, _The Dutch Railroad in Wartime, 1939-1945_ clarifies the role of the Dutch railways. The research found that 112 Dutch trains went >from the Netherlands to nine Nazi camps >from June 1942 to August 1944 covering Germany, Austria, and Poland. To read the article and learn more about Dutch railroad complicit actions with the Nazis, see: https://tinyurl.com/y659zesl or https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/28/world/europe/ns-dutch-railway-holocaust.html We have no affiliation with the book on the Dutch Railroad and are sharing this information solely for the information of the reader. Thanks to Jan Meisels Allen, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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Does anyone use the genealogy websites I set up years ago or can I stop renewing them?
#germany
Stephen Weinstein
I set up two websites with the word "competitive" in the link years
ago and stopped paying attention. One of the registrations is up for renewal (it expires October 8, coincidentally Erev Yom Kippur) and I'm not sure if anyone uses either of them, plus GoDaddy has made renewing feel like dealing with the IRS (apologies to the IRS), so I'm inclined to just abandon them. [If you don't use any websites with the word "competitive" in the link, then this e[-mail doesn't pertain to you and you can stop reading now. I'm not providing the link here because there are issues with whether promoting the websites on JewishGen groups is allowed; today, I'm just trying to gather information >from existing users, if there are any.] To renew, in addition to paying a small amount of money, GoDaddy says that I also have to agree to multiple really long agreements (terms of service, privacy policy, data processing addendum, etc.) that I don't really have time to read -- and it's not all reasonable stuff that you can just accept without reading. You're allowing them to run up your phone bill by telemarketing you, to auto-renew in future years at whatever price they want, etc. So if someone needs my sites to remain live, then I'm going to have to go through all the agreements to make sure that I can live with everything that's in them (or switch to a different company with more acceptable terms -- which could take me even more time). If nobody's using them anyway, I can just let them expire (or let one expire and sell the other's domain name). I know no one is using the paid research services (because I haven't gotten any money after the first year) or the competitive games that involve contacting me (because no one has). The database of links to Christine's Latvia pages is borderline useless, because so many of her pages aren't online anymore, and because the content of her pages is supposed to be on Jewishgen soon anyway. The database of links to pages on the Latvian Archives website is potentially useful, but I think that by putting the records on Jewishgen with links to the Latvian Archives website, I've made my own websites redundant. That basically leaves the noncompetitive practice games, which I don't monitor, so I don't know if they're used (or even working). Anyway, if I'm wrong and I have created a useful service, tell me soon. Stephen Weinstein stephenweinstein@yahoo.com Camarillo, CA, USA
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German SIG #Germany Does anyone use the genealogy websites I set up years ago or can I stop renewing them?
#germany
Stephen Weinstein
I set up two websites with the word "competitive" in the link years
ago and stopped paying attention. One of the registrations is up for renewal (it expires October 8, coincidentally Erev Yom Kippur) and I'm not sure if anyone uses either of them, plus GoDaddy has made renewing feel like dealing with the IRS (apologies to the IRS), so I'm inclined to just abandon them. [If you don't use any websites with the word "competitive" in the link, then this e[-mail doesn't pertain to you and you can stop reading now. I'm not providing the link here because there are issues with whether promoting the websites on JewishGen groups is allowed; today, I'm just trying to gather information >from existing users, if there are any.] To renew, in addition to paying a small amount of money, GoDaddy says that I also have to agree to multiple really long agreements (terms of service, privacy policy, data processing addendum, etc.) that I don't really have time to read -- and it's not all reasonable stuff that you can just accept without reading. You're allowing them to run up your phone bill by telemarketing you, to auto-renew in future years at whatever price they want, etc. So if someone needs my sites to remain live, then I'm going to have to go through all the agreements to make sure that I can live with everything that's in them (or switch to a different company with more acceptable terms -- which could take me even more time). If nobody's using them anyway, I can just let them expire (or let one expire and sell the other's domain name). I know no one is using the paid research services (because I haven't gotten any money after the first year) or the competitive games that involve contacting me (because no one has). The database of links to Christine's Latvia pages is borderline useless, because so many of her pages aren't online anymore, and because the content of her pages is supposed to be on Jewishgen soon anyway. The database of links to pages on the Latvian Archives website is potentially useful, but I think that by putting the records on Jewishgen with links to the Latvian Archives website, I've made my own websites redundant. That basically leaves the noncompetitive practice games, which I don't monitor, so I don't know if they're used (or even working). Anyway, if I'm wrong and I have created a useful service, tell me soon. Stephen Weinstein stephenweinstein@yahoo.com Camarillo, CA, USA
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Re: Which DNA test?
#dna
Michael Good
Hi Arnold,
As Daniel mentioned, you definitely want to do an autosomal test to start. At Family Tree DNA, that would be the Family Finder test. The MTDNA test has very limited use in Jewish genealogy. Please note that you can use swabs to create a sample for a spit test like Ancestry or 23andMe. Follow the instructions in this "How to do an AncestryDNA test *without* spit" article at: http://anotherteenmom.com/reviews/how-to-do-an-ancestrydna-test-without-spit/ I did this for a family member who can't spit enough for a test, and her Ancestry.DNA test has worked great. Ancestry has the largest autosomal DNA database and the best relationship estimates for Jewish ancestry. So if possible - if you're willing to do the artificial spit test, and Ancestry sells to your country - it's best to test at Ancestry and then do a free transfer to Family Tree DNA and MyHeritage. If that's not feasible, though, go ahead with the Family Finder test. Good luck in your research! Best regards, Michael Good Los Altos, California, USA
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DNA Research #DNA Re: Which DNA test?
#dna
Michael Good
Hi Arnold,
As Daniel mentioned, you definitely want to do an autosomal test to start. At Family Tree DNA, that would be the Family Finder test. The MTDNA test has very limited use in Jewish genealogy. Please note that you can use swabs to create a sample for a spit test like Ancestry or 23andMe. Follow the instructions in this "How to do an AncestryDNA test *without* spit" article at: http://anotherteenmom.com/reviews/how-to-do-an-ancestrydna-test-without-spit/ I did this for a family member who can't spit enough for a test, and her Ancestry.DNA test has worked great. Ancestry has the largest autosomal DNA database and the best relationship estimates for Jewish ancestry. So if possible - if you're willing to do the artificial spit test, and Ancestry sells to your country - it's best to test at Ancestry and then do a free transfer to Family Tree DNA and MyHeritage. If that's not feasible, though, go ahead with the Family Finder test. Good luck in your research! Best regards, Michael Good Los Altos, California, USA
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Re: Origin of Latvian Jews
#latvia
Alex Shapiro <alex@...>
There's no need to believe in legends. These days it's just enough to
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make a DNA test which will clearly show your roots. You might also want to contact the Jewish Museum in Riga, on 6 Skolas Street. They have plenty of information on the origins of Latvian Jews, without resorting to any legends. Regarding the source of Lithuanian Jews, >from me conversations with the expert on this issue, Rabbi Josef Radinsky of blessed memory, it seems that Lithuanian Jews mostly came >from Poland, Russia, Latvia, Belarus and... Persia (Iran). Shana Tova, Alexander David Shapiro Houston, TX
My understanding is that the legends of Sephardic roots for Latvian
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Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Origin of Latvian Jews
#latvia
Alex Shapiro <alex@...>
There's no need to believe in legends. These days it's just enough to
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make a DNA test which will clearly show your roots. You might also want to contact the Jewish Museum in Riga, on 6 Skolas Street. They have plenty of information on the origins of Latvian Jews, without resorting to any legends. Regarding the source of Lithuanian Jews, >from me conversations with the expert on this issue, Rabbi Josef Radinsky of blessed memory, it seems that Lithuanian Jews mostly came >from Poland, Russia, Latvia, Belarus and... Persia (Iran). Shana Tova, Alexander David Shapiro Houston, TX
My understanding is that the legends of Sephardic roots for Latvian
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Re: Origin of Latvian Jews
#latvia
My understanding is that the legends of Sephardic roots for Latvian and
Lithuanian Jews are of recent origin, likely late 19th century, as part of the fad of inventing claims of Sephardic origin around that time. I have not seen a single case with evidence before that time. See also John M. Efron, German Jewry and the Allure of the Sephardic (2015). Randy Schoenberg Los Angeles, CA
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Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Origin of Latvian Jews
#latvia
My understanding is that the legends of Sephardic roots for Latvian and
Lithuanian Jews are of recent origin, likely late 19th century, as part of the fad of inventing claims of Sephardic origin around that time. I have not seen a single case with evidence before that time. See also John M. Efron, German Jewry and the Allure of the Sephardic (2015). Randy Schoenberg Los Angeles, CA
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Re: Czech Holocaust Prisoners
#general
tom
Based on what was done to the deportees >from Hungary, most were
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probably never registered as "prisoners", because they were led straight >from the rail cars to the gas chambers. Only the ones were selected as suitable for slave labour were issued numbers and recorded. ....... tom klein, toronto
"Lande" <pdlande@starpower.net> wrote:
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Czech Holocaust Prisoners
#general
tom
Based on what was done to the deportees >from Hungary, most were
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probably never registered as "prisoners", because they were led straight >from the rail cars to the gas chambers. Only the ones were selected as suitable for slave labour were issued numbers and recorded. ....... tom klein, toronto
"Lande" <pdlande@starpower.net> wrote:
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Rabbi Mordekhai "Baal Halevushim" - Descendants in Turets
#rabbinic
Alex Girshovich
Dear Group Mates,
I am working on my family roots, which led me to Rabbi Yosef of Turets, near Nowvogrudok (today's Belarus). who was claimed to be the 5th generation of Rabbi Mordekhai JAFFE "Baal Halevushim". [Source: Tidhar, D. (1952). Entsiklopedyah le-halutse ha-yishuv u-vonav (Vol. 5, p. 2276). Retrieved from http://www.tidhar.tourolib.org/tidhar/view/5/2276] At this point, I am missing the continuous connection between the two rabbis. Most probably, It was via R. Mordekhai's son Arye Leib. I will be happy to receive any assistance or hints to resolve this brick wall. BR, Alex Girshovich Jerusalem, Israel
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Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rabbi Mordekhai "Baal Halevushim" - Descendants in Turets
#rabbinic
Alex Girshovich
Dear Group Mates,
I am working on my family roots, which led me to Rabbi Yosef of Turets, near Nowvogrudok (today's Belarus). who was claimed to be the 5th generation of Rabbi Mordekhai JAFFE "Baal Halevushim". [Source: Tidhar, D. (1952). Entsiklopedyah le-halutse ha-yishuv u-vonav (Vol. 5, p. 2276). Retrieved from http://www.tidhar.tourolib.org/tidhar/view/5/2276] At this point, I am missing the continuous connection between the two rabbis. Most probably, It was via R. Mordekhai's son Arye Leib. I will be happy to receive any assistance or hints to resolve this brick wall. BR, Alex Girshovich Jerusalem, Israel
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Re: Origin of Latvian Jews
#latvia
Alex Shapiro <alex@...>
Dear Jeff,
Many Jews in Latvia, like part of my family, are of Portuguese origin. Regardless of the fact that Latvia was at one stage under Russian control, there are many Jews, including Russian Jews, that have Spanish - Portuguese roots. At one time the basement prayer hall in the Riga synagogue was allocated for Sephardic and Hasiddic style prayers. If you're really curious about the background of your family I'd suggest making the DNA test that will show where your family roots came from. Shana Tova - have a good and blessed New Year, Alexander David Shapiro Member of the Sephardic congregation Torah Va Chessed in Houston ^^^ From: Jeff Canin <jeffcanin07@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:29:10 +0200 ...I'm trying to determine if my family in Latvia could have originally come >from Spain or Portugal after the Jewish populations there were expelled in the 1500s. My grandfather, Joseph Chanin (Hebrew spelling would be chet nun yud nun) was born in Varaklani around 1872. The English spelling for his name could be Hanin, Kanin, Khanin or Canin. Joe always said he was Sephardic and the family originally came >from Portugal, but I can't find any evidence that Jews >from Portugal made it to Latvia. His father was Mendel Chanin and grandfather, born around 1828 was Shmul Ber (Samuel) Chanin. Are the Latvian Jews generally considered to be Sephardic?...
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Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Origin of Latvian Jews
#latvia
Alex Shapiro <alex@...>
Dear Jeff,
Many Jews in Latvia, like part of my family, are of Portuguese origin. Regardless of the fact that Latvia was at one stage under Russian control, there are many Jews, including Russian Jews, that have Spanish - Portuguese roots. At one time the basement prayer hall in the Riga synagogue was allocated for Sephardic and Hasiddic style prayers. If you're really curious about the background of your family I'd suggest making the DNA test that will show where your family roots came from. Shana Tova - have a good and blessed New Year, Alexander David Shapiro Member of the Sephardic congregation Torah Va Chessed in Houston ^^^ From: Jeff Canin <jeffcanin07@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:29:10 +0200 ...I'm trying to determine if my family in Latvia could have originally come >from Spain or Portugal after the Jewish populations there were expelled in the 1500s. My grandfather, Joseph Chanin (Hebrew spelling would be chet nun yud nun) was born in Varaklani around 1872. The English spelling for his name could be Hanin, Kanin, Khanin or Canin. Joe always said he was Sephardic and the family originally came >from Portugal, but I can't find any evidence that Jews >from Portugal made it to Latvia. His father was Mendel Chanin and grandfather, born around 1828 was Shmul Ber (Samuel) Chanin. Are the Latvian Jews generally considered to be Sephardic?...
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Prerov Jewish Cemetery: New Gideon Klein memorial
#austria-czech
david.fligg@...
SIG members may be interested to know that a memorial plaque was
dedicated to the musician Gideon Klein on 12 September in the Jewish Cemetery in Prerov. The Chair of the Federation of Jewish Communities, Petr Papousek, recited Tehillim and El Maleh Rachamim, and local civic leaders were in attendance and spoke. A commemorative concert was later held. Photographs can be found on the town's website, here: https://m.prerov.eu/cs/o-prerove/fotografie-z-prerova/fotografie-z-akci/mesto-prerov-2019/gido-se-vraci-domu-pripominka-100-vyroci-narozeni-hudebniho-skladatele-gideona-kleina.html Dr. David Fligg Leeds, UK david.fligg@gmail.com
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Gesher Galicia at Gratz College (Philadelphia metropolitan area)
#austria-czech
Gesher Galicia SIG
Join us for the event hosted by Gratz College, the oldest independent
and pluralistic college for Jewish studies in North America. The program will feature the talk by Andrew Zalewski, Gesher Galicia board member. Title: "Jewish Galicia: Living Together and Apart" Thursday, October 3, 2019 Gratz College, 7605 Old York Road, Melrose Park, PA 19027 12:15 p.m. to 1:45 p.m. To register, please follow the link: https://www.gratz.edu/event/lunch-learn-jewish-galicia SYNOPSIS Join us as we =E2=80=9Center=E2=80=9D 19th century homes to meet the Jewish inhabitants of Galicia (home to the largest Jewish community in the Austro-Hungarian Empire). Gesher Galicia=E2=80=99s extensive archival collections, Austrian censuses, postcards and maps, together with newspaper clippings and pamphlets, bring to life Jewish presence in cities, such as Lw=C3=B3w and Krak=C3=B3w, and other, smaller towns. Market squares, streets, and schools=E2=80=94 situated close to synagogues and churches=E2=80=94provided shared spaces for Jews, Poles, and Ukrainians. Reconstruct life of shared spaces and the richness of the cultural heritage of the former Galicia. SPEAKER Andrew Zalewski is vice president of Gesher Galicia and author of two books on Austrian Galicia. Andrew is a frequent speaker at Jewish genealogical societies and cultural and academic institutions in the US and abroad. His talks focus on Galicia, with unique records providing a background for his description of a large Jewish community that once lived there. --- PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL ADDRESS. Send all inquiries to info@geshergalicia.org ---
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