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Re: Info on 2 photos #belarus #ukraine

mvayser@...
 

#1. It was forbidden for Jews to marry non-Jews in the Russian empire, so I don't see how your great-grandfather could have married a Tatar woman, unless he converted to Islam.  There was a not insignificant number of Jews who married Christians, but only after they converted to Christianity.
Have you considered taking a DNA test - it would show an East-Eurasian marker. I believe FTDNA and likely other tests from the main companies should be able to detect it.  MyHeritage is notorious for showing small percentages of highly-speculative results, so I would avoid them.

#2. Regarding Ekaterinoslav.  By the time it was occupied by German troops it had been known as Dnepropetrovsk for 15 years.  Do you have an estimate on birth years of the folks you described?  It might be helpful to try to write down an estimate and then search Yad-Vashem site, based on the names and dates.

You flagged this post with Belarus hashtag, is that related to item 1?

Mike Vayser


Hebrew/Yiddish name equivalent of Romanian name #romania #names

Awesome Properties
 

Hi,
I found the Romanian given names of Marton and Ilinda on my ggrandparent's birth record. What would you suggest is the Yiddish /Hebrew equivalent? Thank you for your help.
R. Malik
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Photograph of gravestone - Philadelphia, PA #photographs

Judy Brandspigel
 

If anyone is planning to visit the Mt. Lebanon cemetery in or near Philadelphia, I would really appreciate a photo of a tombstone showing the Hebrew name of the father. The grave is for SAMUEL KATSOFF (or it could be Katzeff) who died 31 December 1940. The grave is located in Section 8, Plot 44 of Mt. Lebanon Cemetery
1200 Bartram Ave., Collingdale, Delaware County, Penn. 19023.  Telephone —610-583-3151.
Please let me know if you are going so as not to duplicate efforts.
Thank you....and if I can repay the favor in or around Montreal, please let me know.
Judy Winstan Brandspigel
Montreal, Canada
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Changing a child age to avoid conscription #belarus

Dror Bereznitsky
 

Hello

I wanted to check how common was it to change a child age (in revisions lists, draft lists) in order to avoid conscription?
I know for a fact that, for example, my grandmother's older brother was registered as her twin in her birth record in order to avoid conscription.

The reason I'm asking is that I found a possible descendant of my family. Many details such as his father's name (very uncommon surname) and residence match however his possible father was too young to be his father (by 3-5 years).
I'm suspecting that his possible father's age might have been altered to avoid conscription.

Thanks
Dror Bereznitsky


Re: Event in Repedea Romania November 17, 1884 #romania

Sherri Bobish
 

Robin,

It is totally possible that both children passed on the same day from the same illness.

Many children were lost in childhood.  On the 1900 and 1910 U.S. census each married woman was asked how many children she had given birth to and how many were living.  The numbers of children lost (especially of some foreign born) were shockingly high.

An accident involving both children is also possible.  Candles started fires, farming equipment was dangerous to be around, etc.

Unless the records indicate a cause of death than you may never know with certainty what happened.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: What languages have the "shch" phoneme? #names

Jules Levin
 

First, your description of the pronunciation is not universal; many Russian speakers pronounce a "long soft sh" instead of a shch, which is opposed to a hard (velarized) sh.  Before 1918 it was a mark of St. Petersburg elite pronunciation.  It is also an iotation of clusters -st-, -sk-, as in pisk squeal --> pishchat' to squeal.   It certainly occurs in North Slavic dialects--Pol, Bel, Ukr.   In any case, many linguists would consider it a cluster, not a single phoneme.  (I like "hush child"--I always used 'fresh cheese' in teaching.   

Jules Levin

There is a phoneme (single speech sound) that appears in Russian, and perhaps other languages, but not in English.  It sounds like the last sound of "hush" plus the first sound of "child" pushed together, so it becomes "hushchild".  Since English does not have this phoneme, words or names with it are transliterated as "szcz".  My first question: are there languages, besides Russian, that have this phoneme?

David LESTZ and a younger brother immigrated in 1911 from Bremen to Baltimore.  He told his son that his original name in Latin letters was LESZCZ, but "someone" said that was not acceptable in America.  The man consulted a book and then told David that his name would be spelled LESTZ.  David agreed and kept this spelling and handed it down to his descendants.  Question two: did such a reference book really exist?

Thank you in advance for all answers.  
Josephine Rosenblum
Cincinnati, OH


Re: Which (Chasidic?) group do the clothes indicate, if any #galicia #austria-czech

binyaminkerman@...
 

I don't think anything about the clothes is indicative of a specific chassidik group. I think that religious Litvaks (Lithuanian or generally non-chassidik) would dress similarly. (For example there is a famous picture of Rabbi Boruch Ber Lebowitz who was one of the big Rabbis in Lithuania and his dress is quite similar.)
Knowing the area they were from, their customs, their accents, or even their names would be able to provide clues as to whether they belonged to any chassidik group.
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Binyamin Kerman
Baltimore MD

Researching:
KERMAN Pinsk 
SPIELER Lodz, Zloczew, Belchatow
SEGALL, SCHWARTZ Piatra Neamt


Mazel Tov to Max Wald - Long-Time JRI-Poland Volunteer #announcements #poland

Robinn Magid
 

JRI-Poland is delighted to announce that Max Wald, a long-time JRI-Poland volunteer and extractor extraordinaire, has been awarded the Medal of the Order of Australia for distinguished service to his country and the broader Jewish Community. His volunteerism over the past twenty-five years or more includes work with JRI-Poland, leadership roles in the Australian Jewish Genealogy Society Victoria, and work with The Jewish Holocaust Centre as well as many projects benefiting the Jewish genealogy community.

Mazel Tov, Max! We thank you from the bottom of our hearts and look forward to working with you for many more years to come!

 


Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.
Executive Director, JRI-Poland.org
Montreal

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Robinn Magid
Assistant Director, JRI-Poland.org
Berkeley, California
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Re: Professionals who match individuals in photographs #photographs

June Genis
 

June Genis, 650--851-5224
Hemet, CA
Researching: GENIS, OKUN, SUSMAN, ETTINGER, KESSLER/CHESLER (Russian/Polish Empires)


What languages have the "shch" phoneme? #names

Josephine Rosenblum
 

There is a phoneme (single speech sound) that appears in Russian, and perhaps other languages, but not in English.  It sounds like the last sound of "hush" plus the first sound of "child" pushed together, so it becomes "hushchild".  Since English does not have this phoneme, words or names with it are transliterated as "szcz".  My first question: are there languages, besides Russian, that have this phoneme?

David LESTZ and a younger brother immigrated in 1911 from Bremen to Baltimore.  He told his son that his original name in Latin letters was LESZCZ, but "someone" said that was not acceptable in America.  The man consulted a book and then told David that his name would be spelled LESTZ.  David agreed and kept this spelling and handed it down to his descendants.  Question two: did such a reference book really exist?

Thank you in advance for all answers.  
Josephine Rosenblum
Cincinnati, OH


Re: Which (Chasidic?) group do the clothes indicate, if any #galicia #austria-czech

avivahpinski@verizon.net
 

Sorry i can't identify any chassidic group  However, in presnt day, the man's hat is usually an identifying item.  When I'm on line at El Al in Newark Airport I'm
usually intrigued by the variety of hats the men wear, as well as the variety of hat boxes they are toting from NY!
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Avivah R. Z. Pinski ,  near Philadelphia, USA


Hazans and Sofers from Lithuania #lithuania

Scott Familant
 

I was wondering whether anyone knows if records have survived relating to rabbis, hazans and sofers serving during the 18-19th C in modern-day Lithuania.  I understand that my Klaff ancestors had a rich tradition of serving as hazans, sofers and even rabbis.  Some ultimately served in the UK (Moses Claff), while others ultimately served in South Africa (Shmuel Zalman and his son Moses David). The family hailed from Shavli, but I understand very few records have survived for that shtetl.  And there seem to have been two major branches of the family, one headed by Eliezer and Zelda and the other by Elijah and Beile Dvorah.  My assumptions is that the two men were first cousins, commonly named after their grandfather.   I havealso  seen mention of Rabbi SZ Klaff having training in Riga.

Thanks,

Scott Familant
NY, NY


Info on 2 photos #belarus #ukraine

Frederick Zlotkin
 


Photo #1, E Narkiery - The info I have is that this woman's name was Elizabeth Narkier. She probably is my great grandmother, mother of Grisha Altschuler (aka Gregory Aller). She is a Tatar woman and her father served as a Cossack soldier. Any info or observations would be greatly appreciated.

Photo #2, Bubie at the Piano - This group shot was probably taken around the turn of the last century in or near Ekaterinislav. The woman seated at the piano is my grandmother, Brunia Fradin (aka Bertha Slatkin). The lady, front to the right of center, is probably Sarah Block. The younger woman in back of her might be Sarah's daughter Manya, who married a gentleman, M. Sukonic, and the baby is probably her first of 2 daughters (Sarah was previously married to Felix Fradin. Manya died when the family was forced to flee to the Ural mountains after Hitler invaded Ekaterinislav). The bearded gentleman might be M. Greenberg, and most likely the 5 boys are probably his sons, by a previous marriage. This being a very earl photo, the subjects would have to "freeze" their pose for about 30 secs. 

Any info would be most appreciated. This is my first attempt at photo ID on JewGen, so please be patient with me.

Thanks,
Dr. Frederick Zlotkin

p.s. I'm certain that my grandmother did not play the piano and suspect that the musical instruments are "props."
 
 
 
 
 


Re: Event in Repedea Romania November 17, 1884 #romania

luc.radu@...
 

There are two villages with that name, one in Maramures and other in Vrancea. You can write to the Natinal Archive office in Baia Mare  or in Piatra Neamt and request copy of the death record. I doubt there was " an event". 

Luc Radu
Great Neck, NY


Re: Which (Chasidic?) group do the clothes indicate, if any #galicia #austria-czech

neilan1
 

The white "over pants", that are described, appear to be a "tallit katan", a (small tallis), worn by religious men. You can observe the tzitzit hanging down in the photo. It might also help to know from what city the family lived, as different chassidic sects were prominent in different cities. Is the man's hat symbolic of a particular group?  I've never seen that type hat as a religious symbol. I think that they just got dressed up for a formal photo.



Neilan Stern;  neilan1@...    searching, Stern, Pistrong, Brand - Radomysl Wielki


Re: Event in Repedea Romania November 17, 1884 #romania

Howard Kaufman
 

I found two siblings who died in Romania of scarlet fever days apart.
Howard Kaufman, Boca Raton, Florida


Professionals who match individuals in photographs #photographs

rharpaz@...
 

Hi, I have several photos from different sources and taken decades apart that contain individuals that may or may not match. If I could rule in or rule out a match, it would be very helpful to my research. Are there professionals with forensic expertise and credentials who do such analyses? Can anyone point me?

Thank you,
Rafael Harpaz

Researching:
Belarus: Grodno (Ratman/Rothman, Bendeson, Ciemnolis, Farbarovitch), Brisk (Tarman), Turov (Shifman)
Poland: Bialystok/Czyzewo (Dveiras, Goldberg)


Translation needed – Russian #russia #translation

samueldkleinman@...
 

Picture of my grandfather Samuel David KLEINMAN (who I am named after) and comments on back in Russian. Most likely taken in Balta Ukraine between 1910 and 1912. He was most likely in school.

 

Sam Kleinman

Lakewood, NJ


translation from Yiddish #translation

Sandy Levin
 

I've posted the back of a picture postcard for which I need a translation from the Yiddish. It is on ViewMate at the following address https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM94237
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.

Sandy Levin, London, ON


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Re: Bednovitch family from Zambrow who became Bedno in Chicago #general #usa #poland

Sandy Levin
 

Looking to connect with relatives of my grandmother, ANNA BEDO(WICZ) who was
from ZAMBROW and arrived in Chicago. Her father’s name was Israel Zvi. She
married Sam Levin, was born Sam Yellin in Wysockie Maz, probably around 1890.
They married in 1913 in Chicago. Anna passed away in 1967, Sam in 1968. They
had three children, Ida, Sol and Jack. Anna had at least three brothers, Joe, Jake
(Jacob) and Morris and a sister Sarah. The three boys all arrived in 1904 on
different sailings from Bremen.. JACOB was born around 1884 and died in
Chicago in 1964. Jake married Ann Ritholz. Jake was president of King Optical. Ann
died in 1978. Irving, Jules, Edward, Howard were their children. JOE also lived in
Chicago and is buried in Waldheim. He was married to Fannie and they had one
child (Hyman/Howard) born in 1918. Joe either died young or was divorced from
Fannie. Howard was in the music business and passed away in 2006. He had two
daughters. MORRIS was born around 1880. He never married. Morris's 1915 draft
card lists as next of kin Joseph Bedno with an address on Francisco Avenue in
Chicago. Morris is also buried in Waldheim. SARAH married Max Zolkewitz. Sarah
died in 1963. She and Max had four children, Carl, Jock/Jacob, Hy, and Ann.
Ann married Lou Slutsky. They had no children.
Any information you can share would be appreciated.
Please reply privately.
Sandy Levin
London, Canada
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