Madeleine,

Ellis Island was an inspection station for arriving steerage passengers
who were not US citizens. No one left Ellis Island for destinations
other that elsewhere in the US, or if refused entry and returned to
port of origin. A refusal of entry would be noted on the arrival
passenger manifest.

As to records of more voluntary departures >from the US, none were
created. The government was interested in who arrived. They did not
seem to care who left.

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY
PZAVON@Rochester.rr.com

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Madeleine Isenberg <madeleine.isenberg@gmail.com> wrote:

Most of us researching our families are interested in the arrivals to
ports such as Ellis Island. We can often find Hamburg Passenger lists

from when they left Europe and Ellis Island Passenger lists >from when

they arrived.

My problem is trying to go in the reverse direction to find out when
someone left >from Ellis Island, and probably arrived in Hamburg.

For me, this is about a great-uncle, a Jacob STEINER, who first left
Hamburg 24 March and arrived 6 April 1901, then apparently traveled
back to Poland (via Hamburg), and then returned again to the USA,
leaving 11 November and arriving 24 November 1905.

Later, when he prepares a Petition for Naturalization in 30 June 1924,
he claims to be a widower and have had two children, who were left in
Poland. At a stretch (born overdue?) one was born 4 January 1902,
and the other 1 March 1905.

So I'm trying to find out when he returned to Poland: 1903? 1904?
Unless I can find some passenger lists as indicated, it is a real puzzle.

On the other hand, this relative has made other mistakes in birth
years, probably even his own, so there could be mistakes here as well....

Hi all. I'm looking for interesting options such as a "document album"
or oversized scrapbook to present and preserve things like 1800s
birth certificates, ship manifest copies, photos etc. I've seen some
large, leather bound genealogy albums in the UK (one company
named Arrow) but haven't found a product on the US market. Has
anyone done or seen this kind of thing who can suggest an approach
or product? Something that works well for genealogy in particular.
Thanks.

Matt Brown

Madeleine,

Ellis Island was an inspection station for arriving steerage passengers
who were not US citizens. No one left Ellis Island for destinations
other that elsewhere in the US, or if refused entry and returned to
port of origin. A refusal of entry would be noted on the arrival
passenger manifest.

As to records of more voluntary departures >from the US, none were
created. The government was interested in who arrived. They did not
seem to care who left.

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY
PZAVON@Rochester.rr.com

---

Madeleine Isenberg <madeleine.isenberg@gmail.com> wrote:

Most of us researching our families are interested in the arrivals to
ports such as Ellis Island. We can often find Hamburg Passenger lists

from when they left Europe and Ellis Island Passenger lists >from when

they arrived.

My problem is trying to go in the reverse direction to find out when
someone left >from Ellis Island, and probably arrived in Hamburg.

For me, this is about a great-uncle, a Jacob STEINER, who first left
Hamburg 24 March and arrived 6 April 1901, then apparently traveled
back to Poland (via Hamburg), and then returned again to the USA,
leaving 11 November and arriving 24 November 1905.

Later, when he prepares a Petition for Naturalization in 30 June 1924,
he claims to be a widower and have had two children, who were left in
Poland. At a stretch (born overdue?) one was born 4 January 1902,
and the other 1 March 1905.

So I'm trying to find out when he returned to Poland: 1903? 1904?
Unless I can find some passenger lists as indicated, it is a real puzzle.

On the other hand, this relative has made other mistakes in birth
years, probably even his own, so there could be mistakes here as well....

Hi all. I'm looking for interesting options such as a "document album"
or oversized scrapbook to present and preserve things like 1800s
birth certificates, ship manifest copies, photos etc. I've seen some
large, leather bound genealogy albums in the UK (one company
named Arrow) but haven't found a product on the US market. Has
anyone done or seen this kind of thing who can suggest an approach
or product? Something that works well for genealogy in particular.
Thanks.

Matt Brown

Madeleine Isenberg asked about determining when an ancestor returned
to Europe. As there are no records of those leaving the US in the US, I was
able to determine the departure year for my great-grandmother using her
returning manifest.

In 1897, the manifest for her return voyage had a column "Whether ever
before in the United State, and if so, when and where." In the case of my
great-grandmother, 7 years and NY was entered. Knowing when she had
originally arrived in NY, I could determine that she had been out of NY for
3 years and had left the US in 1894.

As manifests were not standardized until 1906, this column may not
appear on all manifests, but if may be on the one of your relative arriving
in the US on his second voyage.

Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ

Researching ELLMAN, COIRA in Minkovtsy, Ukraine
GOLDSTEIN, HIRSCHHORN, BUCHWALD in Dolyna, Ukraine
KAGLE, FASS in Ulanow, Poland
HASSMAN, SONENTHALER, DAUERMAN and several others in
Drohobycz & Boryslaw, Ukraine

Madeleine Isenberg asked about determining when an ancestor returned
to Europe. As there are no records of those leaving the US in the US, I was
able to determine the departure year for my great-grandmother using her
returning manifest.

In 1897, the manifest for her return voyage had a column "Whether ever
before in the United State, and if so, when and where." In the case of my
great-grandmother, 7 years and NY was entered. Knowing when she had
originally arrived in NY, I could determine that she had been out of NY for
3 years and had left the US in 1894.

As manifests were not standardized until 1906, this column may not
appear on all manifests, but if may be on the one of your relative arriving
in the US on his second voyage.

Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ

Researching ELLMAN, COIRA in Minkovtsy, Ukraine
GOLDSTEIN, HIRSCHHORN, BUCHWALD in Dolyna, Ukraine
KAGLE, FASS in Ulanow, Poland
HASSMAN, SONENTHALER, DAUERMAN and several others in
Drohobycz & Boryslaw, Ukraine

I'm trying to find out when Jewish students were first admitted to the
nation's leading prep and boarding schools -- places like Andover and
Exeter, St. Paul's, Deerfield Academy, and also NYC-based private day
schools like Horace Mann, Dalton, Collegiate, etc.
David Laskin, Seattle, WA

I'm trying to find out when Jewish students were first admitted to the
nation's leading prep and boarding schools -- places like Andover and
Exeter, St. Paul's, Deerfield Academy, and also NYC-based private day
schools like Horace Mann, Dalton, Collegiate, etc.
David Laskin, Seattle, WA

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required-with name, email address and password. No credit card information
is requested. If you try to access the featured collection after the free
access period ends you will be invited to subscribe to Ancestry's World
Deluxe membership. That is also true if you try to access records not
included in the featured collection. Occupational records include nursing
registers, railway employment, medical registers, merchant seamen death
records and more. As occupation is included in census and voters lists these
records appear in the featured collection. To access the website and
registration go to: https://www.ancestry.ca/cs/labourday

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"The horizon for the young Jewish common people was very limited,"
writes Enoch Stein in a chapter on the small town of Raguva in
northeastern Lithuania (>from the Yizkor book of "Lite," the Yiddish
word for Lithuania). Work could be scarce and one of the respites of
life was the arrival of the newspapers which were devoured ">from the
first page to the last, including advertisements, promotions and
announcements." Another diversion was romance -- whether it was the
arranged marriage or "the flirt" which produced marriages that came
about "through love." Stein recounts one arranged marriage, which
didn't work out so well, and recounts how young people set about to
make matches on their own. This is an excerpt >from a longer chapter.
You can read the full chapter on this page: https://bit.ly/2zxkdp9

URL: https://www.facebook.com/JewishGen.org/posts/2460676433954497

Bruce Drake

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel

"The horizon for the young Jewish common people was very limited,"
writes Enoch Stein in a chapter on the small town of Raguva in
northeastern Lithuania (>from the Yizkor book of "Lite," the Yiddish
word for Lithuania). Work could be scarce and one of the respites of
life was the arrival of the newspapers which were devoured ">from the
first page to the last, including advertisements, promotions and
announcements." Another diversion was romance -- whether it was the
arranged marriage or "the flirt" which produced marriages that came
about "through love." Stein recounts one arranged marriage, which
didn't work out so well, and recounts how young people set about to
make matches on their own. This is an excerpt >from a longer chapter.
You can read the full chapter on this page: https://bit.ly/2zxkdp9

URL: https://www.facebook.com/JewishGen.org/posts/2460676433954497

Bruce Drake

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel

When I put a name of interest into the search engine for immigration
lists on Ancestry UK, I was offered a passenger list for a ship
entering Liverpool. at a date near the ones Madeline Isenberg is
interested in. haven't looked to see how extensive their database is,
but there seems a possibility that she will strike lucky, as this was
a recognised route connecting with Poland.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK

When I put a name of interest into the search engine for immigration
lists on Ancestry UK, I was offered a passenger list for a ship
entering Liverpool. at a date near the ones Madeline Isenberg is
interested in. haven't looked to see how extensive their database is,
but there seems a possibility that she will strike lucky, as this was
a recognised route connecting with Poland.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK

Madeleine Isenberg asked about determining when an ancestor returned
to Europe. As there are no records of those leaving the US in the US,
I was able to determine the departure year for my great-grandmother
using her returning manifest.

In 1897, the manifest for her return voyage had a column "Whether ever
before in the United State, and if so, when and where". In the case
of my great-grandmother, 7 years and NY was entered. Knowing when she
had originally arrived in NY, I could determine that she had been out
of NY for 3 years and had left the US in 1894.

As manifests were not standardized until 1906, this column may not
appear on all manifests, but if may be on the one of your relative
arriving in the US on his second voyage.
--
Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ

Researching ELLMAN, COIRA in Minkovtsy, Ukraine
GOLDSTEIN, HIRSCHHORN, BUCHWALD in Dolyna, Ukraine
KAGLE, FASS in Ulanow, Poland
HASSMAN, SONENTHALER, DAUERMAN and several others in Drohobycz &
Boryslaw, Uklraine

"So I'm trying to find out when he returned to Poland: 1903? 1904?
Unless I can find some passenger lists as indicated, it is a real
puzzle."

My 2nd g uncle came to the US 3 or 4 times before bringing his family.
There was not enough 'culture' for him, apparently. I even caught him
working for my ggrandfather on a census.

But there are no passenger lists back.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Madeleine Isenberg asked about determining when an ancestor returned
to Europe. As there are no records of those leaving the US in the US,
I was able to determine the departure year for my great-grandmother
using her returning manifest.

In 1897, the manifest for her return voyage had a column "Whether ever
before in the United State, and if so, when and where". In the case
of my great-grandmother, 7 years and NY was entered. Knowing when she
had originally arrived in NY, I could determine that she had been out
of NY for 3 years and had left the US in 1894.

As manifests were not standardized until 1906, this column may not
appear on all manifests, but if may be on the one of your relative
arriving in the US on his second voyage.
--
Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ

Researching ELLMAN, COIRA in Minkovtsy, Ukraine
GOLDSTEIN, HIRSCHHORN, BUCHWALD in Dolyna, Ukraine
KAGLE, FASS in Ulanow, Poland
HASSMAN, SONENTHALER, DAUERMAN and several others in Drohobycz &
Boryslaw, Uklraine

"So I'm trying to find out when he returned to Poland: 1903? 1904?
Unless I can find some passenger lists as indicated, it is a real
puzzle."

My 2nd g uncle came to the US 3 or 4 times before bringing his family.
There was not enough 'culture' for him, apparently. I even caught him
working for my ggrandfather on a census.

But there are no passenger lists back.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

In celebration of Labor Day, MyHeritage is offering free access to 740
million census records on their SuperSearchT for their U.S. and Canadian
records collection. The deadline for access is September 2, 2019 11:59 PM CT
. I was able to access without registering. If you are asked to register it
is only name, email address and password, "no" credit card information is
requested for this free offer.

For US census collection go to:
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I have no affiliation with MyHeritage and am posting this solely for the
information of the reader.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

In celebration of Labor Day, MyHeritage is offering free access to 740
million census records on their SuperSearchT for their U.S. and Canadian
records collection. The deadline for access is September 2, 2019 11:59 PM CT
. I was able to access without registering. If you are asked to register it
is only name, email address and password, "no" credit card information is
requested for this free offer.

For US census collection go to:
https://www.myheritage.com/research/catalog/category-1100/u.s.-census

For Canadian Census go to:
https://www.myheritage.com/research/catalog/category-1000/census-voter-lists?location=Canada

You will see a green "free" sign next to the census year. If you try to
access collections not included in the special offer you will be invited to
subscribe. If you try to access the free collections after the special
offer you will be invited to subscribe.

For more information see the MyHeritage blog at:
https://blog.myheritage.com/2019/08/740-million-free-census-records-for-labor-day

I have no affiliation with MyHeritage and am posting this solely for the
information of the reader.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee