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Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Question About Gomel'skaia Guberniia #belarus

Peter B. Golden <pgolden@...>
 

Judith Koenig Fox asked :

Is there a Gomel Gerbania? Is the town of Bykhov actually in
the Gomel Gerbania( I had always thought that it was in the Mogilevsky
Gerbania)? Is there a source that one can go to that will show the Gerbanias
and Districts of Belarus; not just present day, but in the past also?
This is a rather short answer to your question. With the division
of Poland (the Rzecz Pospolita) in 1772, the eastern portion of the
Rechitsa District of the Minsk Voievodstvo (which included Rogachov,
Chechersk and Gomel') became part of Russia. In 1793, the rest of the
Gomel' region was brought into the Russian Empire. With subsequent
territorial reorganizations (1850's), the Gomel' and Rogachov districts
became part of Mogiliovskaia Guberniia, while the Mozyr' and Rechitsa
districts were placed in Minskaia Guberniia. In 1919, most of the former
Mogiliovskaia Guberniia was placed in the newly formed Gomel'skaia
Guberniia (now termed Gomel'skaia Oblast').
A useful source for this is the volume (in Belorussian) Zbor
pomnikaw historyii i kul'tury Belarusi. Homel'skaia voblasts' [Collection
of monuments of history and culture of Belarus'. Gomel'skaia oblast']
(Minsk, 1985). It contains an excellent map. Bykhov, today, is not located
in Gomel'skaia oblast', but in the region directly to its north. It is
south of Mogiliov. You should search for it there in the other volumes of
this series.


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Peter B. Golden
Professor of History
Rutgers University
Dept. of History
Conklin Hall
175 University Avenue
Newark, NJ 07102
tel. (973) 353-5410 (dept.),(973)353-1054 (office)
fax : (973) 353-1193
pgolden@...


Re: Question About Gomel'skaia Guberniia #belarus

Peter B. Golden <pgolden@...>
 

Judith Koenig Fox asked :

Is there a Gomel Gerbania? Is the town of Bykhov actually in
the Gomel Gerbania( I had always thought that it was in the Mogilevsky
Gerbania)? Is there a source that one can go to that will show the Gerbanias
and Districts of Belarus; not just present day, but in the past also?
This is a rather short answer to your question. With the division
of Poland (the Rzecz Pospolita) in 1772, the eastern portion of the
Rechitsa District of the Minsk Voievodstvo (which included Rogachov,
Chechersk and Gomel') became part of Russia. In 1793, the rest of the
Gomel' region was brought into the Russian Empire. With subsequent
territorial reorganizations (1850's), the Gomel' and Rogachov districts
became part of Mogiliovskaia Guberniia, while the Mozyr' and Rechitsa
districts were placed in Minskaia Guberniia. In 1919, most of the former
Mogiliovskaia Guberniia was placed in the newly formed Gomel'skaia
Guberniia (now termed Gomel'skaia Oblast').
A useful source for this is the volume (in Belorussian) Zbor
pomnikaw historyii i kul'tury Belarusi. Homel'skaia voblasts' [Collection
of monuments of history and culture of Belarus'. Gomel'skaia oblast']
(Minsk, 1985). It contains an excellent map. Bykhov, today, is not located
in Gomel'skaia oblast', but in the region directly to its north. It is
south of Mogiliov. You should search for it there in the other volumes of
this series.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Peter B. Golden
Professor of History
Rutgers University
Dept. of History
Conklin Hall
175 University Avenue
Newark, NJ 07102
tel. (973) 353-5410 (dept.),(973)353-1054 (office)
fax : (973) 353-1193
pgolden@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus DVOSKIN-DVOSHKIN-DVOSH #belarus

dardasht@...
 

For Myra Davis:
I have sent you the PECHERSKY and variants list already >from the
index. Just for information sake, I remember >from my ancient USY days, a
PECHARSKY family in Wisconsin, but do not know (no one knew about Jewish
genealogy back in the days of the dinosaurs) where they were originally
from.
DVOSKIN -- I did a check, sorry I forgot to do it before, here
are the results >from the index (including possible variations, such as
DUSHKIN and DVORKIN (which is being searched by Barbara Khait of New
Jersey). Again, the variations are important bcause of spelling mistakes
in the index, and mistakes in the recorder writing down the names:
I have starred the exact ones, but do not discount the other
variations.

1870: DUSHKIN, Yankel
DUSHKIN, Elia
1879: **DVOSHKIN, Shaya (this is probably the spelling you are looking
for, but not to discount other variations as well).
1880: DVORKIN, Itska-Evel, DYSHKIN, Afroim, DVORKIN Getsel, DUSHKIN
Yankel,
1881: DVORKIN Itska-Evel
1883: DYSHKIN AFROIM
1884-11889 are lumped together, probably a glitch in the disk:
DVORKIN Getsel, DVORKIN Itska-Essel, **DVOSH Khaim-Sendor,
**DVOSHKIN Shaya, DVORKIN Gats, DVORKIN Itska-Evel, DVORKIN
Mikhel-Simon, DVORKIN Dovid, DUSHKIN Leibam DUSHKIN Yankel, DRUKIN
Shloma, DVORKIN Gats, DVORKIN Itska-Evel, DVORKIN
Mikhel-Simon DVORKIN Dovid, DVORKIN Itska-Evel, DVORKIN
Movsha-Yankel, DOROVSKI Fishel
1890: **DVOSHKIN Leiba, DVODKIN Movsha-Yankel
1891: DAREVSKI Fishel, DVORKIN Ruvin
1893: DVORKIN Getsel (twins), DAREVSKI Fishel.

As you can see there are several DVOSHKIN which is probably the exact
name you are looking for.
Again, the index is >from Roll 5 of the seven-roll series of
Mogilev Crown Rabbinate Records, filmed by LDS, available at FHC. The
record is of births of baby boys, 1864-1894 (although not all letters of
the alphabet are complete for these years), listed by father's name. The
presence of a family name in this index for a boy's birth, means the
searcher should access the full seven-roll series, for girl's births,
marriages, deaths, divorces, etc. AGain, these records are a goldmine for
those >from Mogilev or the surrounding areas, as many of the Mogilev
families had other family members in shtetls and villages around Mogilev
city -- some close enough to be included in the records, some included
because of family prominence, others because of business or other
reasons.
Good luck.Let me know how you progress.
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
dardasht@...



the city of MOgilev and according to my

grandfather's death certificate he was born in Bykhov and my father and
grandmother was born in Mogilev. I am researching the names of DVOSKIN,
and PETCHERSKY
Thanks,
Myra Davis
myrabokpg@...
Tucson, AZ


DVOSKIN-DVOSHKIN-DVOSH #belarus

dardasht@...
 

For Myra Davis:
I have sent you the PECHERSKY and variants list already >from the
index. Just for information sake, I remember >from my ancient USY days, a
PECHARSKY family in Wisconsin, but do not know (no one knew about Jewish
genealogy back in the days of the dinosaurs) where they were originally
from.
DVOSKIN -- I did a check, sorry I forgot to do it before, here
are the results >from the index (including possible variations, such as
DUSHKIN and DVORKIN (which is being searched by Barbara Khait of New
Jersey). Again, the variations are important bcause of spelling mistakes
in the index, and mistakes in the recorder writing down the names:
I have starred the exact ones, but do not discount the other
variations.

1870: DUSHKIN, Yankel
DUSHKIN, Elia
1879: **DVOSHKIN, Shaya (this is probably the spelling you are looking
for, but not to discount other variations as well).
1880: DVORKIN, Itska-Evel, DYSHKIN, Afroim, DVORKIN Getsel, DUSHKIN
Yankel,
1881: DVORKIN Itska-Evel
1883: DYSHKIN AFROIM
1884-11889 are lumped together, probably a glitch in the disk:
DVORKIN Getsel, DVORKIN Itska-Essel, **DVOSH Khaim-Sendor,
**DVOSHKIN Shaya, DVORKIN Gats, DVORKIN Itska-Evel, DVORKIN
Mikhel-Simon, DVORKIN Dovid, DUSHKIN Leibam DUSHKIN Yankel, DRUKIN
Shloma, DVORKIN Gats, DVORKIN Itska-Evel, DVORKIN
Mikhel-Simon DVORKIN Dovid, DVORKIN Itska-Evel, DVORKIN
Movsha-Yankel, DOROVSKI Fishel
1890: **DVOSHKIN Leiba, DVODKIN Movsha-Yankel
1891: DAREVSKI Fishel, DVORKIN Ruvin
1893: DVORKIN Getsel (twins), DAREVSKI Fishel.

As you can see there are several DVOSHKIN which is probably the exact
name you are looking for.
Again, the index is >from Roll 5 of the seven-roll series of
Mogilev Crown Rabbinate Records, filmed by LDS, available at FHC. The
record is of births of baby boys, 1864-1894 (although not all letters of
the alphabet are complete for these years), listed by father's name. The
presence of a family name in this index for a boy's birth, means the
searcher should access the full seven-roll series, for girl's births,
marriages, deaths, divorces, etc. AGain, these records are a goldmine for
those >from Mogilev or the surrounding areas, as many of the Mogilev
families had other family members in shtetls and villages around Mogilev
city -- some close enough to be included in the records, some included
because of family prominence, others because of business or other
reasons.
Good luck.Let me know how you progress.
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
dardasht@...



the city of MOgilev and according to my

grandfather's death certificate he was born in Bykhov and my father and
grandmother was born in Mogilev. I am researching the names of DVOSKIN,
and PETCHERSKY
Thanks,
Myra Davis
myrabokpg@...
Tucson, AZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Oshamana Brothers. Org. #general

Sheldon Clare <clare+@...>
 

Many of my relatives including my grandmother are buried in the OSHMANA
BROTHERS plot at Mt. Judah Cemetery in Brooklyn, NY. The plot is in
terrible disrepair and when the cemetery was contacted, they gave me the
name of a man who has the organization's records. When contacted, the
elderly gentleman told me he no longer keeps the records and cannot
remember who does.
Is there anyone out there who can help?

Sheldon I. Clare

clare+@...


Oshamana Brothers. Org. #general

Sheldon Clare <clare+@...>
 

Many of my relatives including my grandmother are buried in the OSHMANA
BROTHERS plot at Mt. Judah Cemetery in Brooklyn, NY. The plot is in
terrible disrepair and when the cemetery was contacted, they gave me the
name of a man who has the organization's records. When contacted, the
elderly gentleman told me he no longer keeps the records and cannot
remember who does.
Is there anyone out there who can help?

Sheldon I. Clare

clare+@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re : Jews in Montpellier France #general

Alkrams <alkrams@...>
 

Joe Ross asks for a private anwer, but I think the information may be of
interest for other people.

Yes there is a jewish community in Montpellier. It is quite an old community.
The first documents concerning Jews in the Archives Departementales are
dated 1716, but according to Daniele Iancu and Mireille Lacave (Bulletin
historique de la ville de Montpellier, n=B07 special), Jews were living in
Montpellier during the Middle Ages.

If you read french, there is a very interesting study about the Jews of
Montpellier : Pierre Burlats-Brun, "Filiations juives a Montpellier de lafin
du XVIIe siecle au Second Empire" in Annales de geneaalogie et d'heraldique,
n=B03, juillet-septembre, p.5-15

(For Joe Ross : I send you privatly the adress of to-day community.)

Anne Lifshitz-Krams
Cercle de Genealogie Juive


Re : Jews in Montpellier France #general

Alkrams <alkrams@...>
 

Joe Ross asks for a private anwer, but I think the information may be of
interest for other people.

Yes there is a jewish community in Montpellier. It is quite an old community.
The first documents concerning Jews in the Archives Departementales are
dated 1716, but according to Daniele Iancu and Mireille Lacave (Bulletin
historique de la ville de Montpellier, n=B07 special), Jews were living in
Montpellier during the Middle Ages.

If you read french, there is a very interesting study about the Jews of
Montpellier : Pierre Burlats-Brun, "Filiations juives a Montpellier de lafin
du XVIIe siecle au Second Empire" in Annales de geneaalogie et d'heraldique,
n=B03, juillet-septembre, p.5-15

(For Joe Ross : I send you privatly the adress of to-day community.)

Anne Lifshitz-Krams
Cercle de Genealogie Juive


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ann BOTHMAN #general

Maurine McLellan <trmclell@...>
 

This is a long shot, but I am running out of possibilities. I am
looking for the niece of Ann Bothman, wife of Louis Bothman. They had
no children. Louis had done considerable research on the Bothman
family. When Louis died, Ann was in possesion of the family info. When
she died, everything was left to her niece. Ann lived in Menominee,
Michigan at the time of her death. I am hoping to locate the niece (I
do not even know her name) and see if what happened to the information.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Maurine Bothman McLellan
trmclell@...


Ann BOTHMAN #general

Maurine McLellan <trmclell@...>
 

This is a long shot, but I am running out of possibilities. I am
looking for the niece of Ann Bothman, wife of Louis Bothman. They had
no children. Louis had done considerable research on the Bothman
family. When Louis died, Ann was in possesion of the family info. When
she died, everything was left to her niece. Ann lived in Menominee,
Michigan at the time of her death. I am hoping to locate the niece (I
do not even know her name) and see if what happened to the information.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Maurine Bothman McLellan
trmclell@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Midwife and Butcher #general

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

The YIDDISH word for midwife is AKUSHERKE (>from French accoucher, to give
birth). The YIDDISH and HEBREW word for butcher, the slaughterer, is the
same: SHOCHET. The HEBREW word for midwife is MEYALEDET. The guy who sells
the meat is the KATSAV in Hebrew.

Where does Avarteki, for midwife, come from? And Fleishhacker?!

David Goldman
davic@...


Re: Midwife and Butcher #general

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

The YIDDISH word for midwife is AKUSHERKE (>from French accoucher, to give
birth). The YIDDISH and HEBREW word for butcher, the slaughterer, is the
same: SHOCHET. The HEBREW word for midwife is MEYALEDET. The guy who sells
the meat is the KATSAV in Hebrew.

Where does Avarteki, for midwife, come from? And Fleishhacker?!

David Goldman
davic@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hotel Somerset in Boston #general

Alan Perry <perry2@...>
 

Does anybody have any information on the Hotel Somerset which existed in
Boston in 1914?

Thanks in anticipation,

Alan


Hotel Somerset in Boston #general

Alan Perry <perry2@...>
 

Does anybody have any information on the Hotel Somerset which existed in
Boston in 1914?

Thanks in anticipation,

Alan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Danes Family Circle #general

Mike and Elynn Boss <mboss@...>
 

My mother told me that in the 1950's in Brooklyn, our DANOVITCH family
which later became DANES formed a group called the DANES Family Circle.
Does anyone know anything about this society or about any of the
(former) members?

Elynn Boss
mboss@...


Danes Family Circle #general

Mike and Elynn Boss <mboss@...>
 

My mother told me that in the 1950's in Brooklyn, our DANOVITCH family
which later became DANES formed a group called the DANES Family Circle.
Does anyone know anything about this society or about any of the
(former) members?

Elynn Boss
mboss@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rososche #general

Mary ann Weiner <HYPP38A@...>
 

The above village was reported on the ship's manifest of an immigrating
ancestor. It is difficult to read but appears to be Rososche,Russia.
He is believed to have come >from 'somewhere' near Kiev. Does anyone
recognize this place?
Thank you
Mary Ann Weiner


Rososche #general

Mary ann Weiner <HYPP38A@...>
 

The above village was reported on the ship's manifest of an immigrating
ancestor. It is difficult to read but appears to be Rososche,Russia.
He is believed to have come >from 'somewhere' near Kiev. Does anyone
recognize this place?
Thank you
Mary Ann Weiner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen CP inflight magazine features Jewish genealogy #general

Harry Dodsworth <af877@...>
 

I flew to Toronto last weekend for Canadian Thanksgiving. The CP
inflight magazine had an interesting article on genealogy with special
emphasis on finding information about Jewish roots in Poland.

The principal person interviewed was none other than the Stanley Diamond
of Montreal, who is a frequent contributor here :-)

Harry Dodsworth
Ottawa Ontario Canada
af877@...


CP inflight magazine features Jewish genealogy #general

Harry Dodsworth <af877@...>
 

I flew to Toronto last weekend for Canadian Thanksgiving. The CP
inflight magazine had an interesting article on genealogy with special
emphasis on finding information about Jewish roots in Poland.

The principal person interviewed was none other than the Stanley Diamond
of Montreal, who is a frequent contributor here :-)

Harry Dodsworth
Ottawa Ontario Canada
af877@...