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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Sean FERGUSON story #general

Anita Berk <anitab@...>
 

I wouldn't be surprised if it were true!

Anita Berk

So, the story goes, they simply
traded visas and passports, assuming the family name of the other.

I have my doubts about this, but so goes the story. I always tell my kids,
as a joke, that we're here illegally....we could be sent packing back to
Baranovich at any time! ^_^

Anita Berk
anitab@...


Re: Sean FERGUSON story #general

Anita Berk <anitab@...>
 

I wouldn't be surprised if it were true!

Anita Berk

So, the story goes, they simply
traded visas and passports, assuming the family name of the other.

I have my doubts about this, but so goes the story. I always tell my kids,
as a joke, that we're here illegally....we could be sent packing back to
Baranovich at any time! ^_^

Anita Berk
anitab@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Gravestones and names? #general

A. E. Jordan
 

I went to one of the family graves today and I realized how lacking my Herbrew
education is for what I am trying to do. Its too many years >from when I went
to Hebrew school to now I am afraid for me to remember everything.

On my great grandmother's stone it says in English "Chaie Sarah Jordan" -- all
the family members who remember her know her as Sarah as do all of the offical
records. Is Chaie some term of respect or honor or is it a name?

Also on the gates to the plot is the words "Chevra Moses Montifiore of
Hoboken" What does Chevra mean? Moses Montifiore is the name of the burial
society/temple they went to and yes it was in Hoboken.

Thanks in advance for your help. If these are really stupid questions you can
post me privately not to waste everyone else' space and time.

Thanks!

Allan Jordan
aejordan@...

PS -- I have not even begun to deal with the Hebrew inscriptions of each of
the stones.


Gravestones and names? #general

A. E. Jordan
 

I went to one of the family graves today and I realized how lacking my Herbrew
education is for what I am trying to do. Its too many years >from when I went
to Hebrew school to now I am afraid for me to remember everything.

On my great grandmother's stone it says in English "Chaie Sarah Jordan" -- all
the family members who remember her know her as Sarah as do all of the offical
records. Is Chaie some term of respect or honor or is it a name?

Also on the gates to the plot is the words "Chevra Moses Montifiore of
Hoboken" What does Chevra mean? Moses Montifiore is the name of the burial
society/temple they went to and yes it was in Hoboken.

Thanks in advance for your help. If these are really stupid questions you can
post me privately not to waste everyone else' space and time.

Thanks!

Allan Jordan
aejordan@...

PS -- I have not even begun to deal with the Hebrew inscriptions of each of
the stones.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Baron de Hirsh settlement #general

r feldman <medserv@...>
 

I just found out that my GGrandfather came to Canada under the auspices
of Baron de Hirsh. He origanally went to a town called Baron de Hirsh,
Saskatchewan, which is now called Hirsh. I would like to know if anyone
knows where to find the records of Baron de Hirsh, immigration etc. I do
not know if he was in Saskatchewan long enough to have other records
such as birth of my Grasndfather before moving to Brandon Manitoba. any
help would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance,
Ron Feldman

Searching Ruskin, Greenberg >from Schadrin Belarus; Feldman Graychaka
Russia , Brandon, Winnipeg Manitoba; Grossman, Slobotski Bialistock
Poland; Palayew / Palayev Brestlitovsk .


Baron de Hirsh settlement #general

r feldman <medserv@...>
 

I just found out that my GGrandfather came to Canada under the auspices
of Baron de Hirsh. He origanally went to a town called Baron de Hirsh,
Saskatchewan, which is now called Hirsh. I would like to know if anyone
knows where to find the records of Baron de Hirsh, immigration etc. I do
not know if he was in Saskatchewan long enough to have other records
such as birth of my Grasndfather before moving to Brandon Manitoba. any
help would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance,
Ron Feldman

Searching Ruskin, Greenberg >from Schadrin Belarus; Feldman Graychaka
Russia , Brandon, Winnipeg Manitoba; Grossman, Slobotski Bialistock
Poland; Palayew / Palayev Brestlitovsk .


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Isidor RENDELSTEIN from 1920 US Census for Brooklyn, NY #general

Anita Berk <anitab@...>
 

I didn't see the original post, however, I have a family named Berlofsky,
who arrived in 1899. I couldn't find them on the 1900 census. I found
them on the 1920 census with their name spelled Berofsky (different
soundex). I found them in the Naturalizations under Baralofsky.... I
never found birth records for the 1st 3 kids, although the all state they
were born in NYC, and I never found a marriage record for one of the kids
who was married around 1915.

My conclusion was they were skipped in the 1900 census, and the one
marriage must have never been recorded. Since I haven't found them on a
passenger manifest yet, I don't know if the kids were really born in NYC
(I doubt it).

Anita Berk

Ricki L. Zunk wrote:
I've checked for naturalization records -- no luck. I've checked SSDI
listings (including probable surname variances that would be logical) --
no luck. I've asked all of the family members I've been able to locate
-- no luck.


Re: Isidor RENDELSTEIN from 1920 US Census for Brooklyn, NY #general

Anita Berk <anitab@...>
 

I didn't see the original post, however, I have a family named Berlofsky,
who arrived in 1899. I couldn't find them on the 1900 census. I found
them on the 1920 census with their name spelled Berofsky (different
soundex). I found them in the Naturalizations under Baralofsky.... I
never found birth records for the 1st 3 kids, although the all state they
were born in NYC, and I never found a marriage record for one of the kids
who was married around 1915.

My conclusion was they were skipped in the 1900 census, and the one
marriage must have never been recorded. Since I haven't found them on a
passenger manifest yet, I don't know if the kids were really born in NYC
(I doubt it).

Anita Berk

Ricki L. Zunk wrote:
I've checked for naturalization records -- no luck. I've checked SSDI
listings (including probable surname variances that would be logical) --
no luck. I've asked all of the family members I've been able to locate
-- no luck.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Metz, France #general

NEIL185@...
 

Looking for someone with email in Metz, France or others who
can help me with local research there.
Thanks,

Neil ROSENSTEIN


Metz, France #general

NEIL185@...
 

Looking for someone with email in Metz, France or others who
can help me with local research there.
Thanks,

Neil ROSENSTEIN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "...respect the sensitivities of the living" #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

In the genealogical hunt to collect names, we sometimes find misguided
persons. They deliberately publish sensitive information about other
living relatives, despite objections.
I would label such persons as gossips, not genealogists. Genealogists
endeavor to unite families, not divide them.
I refer you to the words of the late Rabbi Malcolm Stern, Dean of
American-Jewish Genealogy, who wrote:

"Thou shalt respect the sensitivities of the living in
whatever you record but tell the truth about the dead."


Email to <mstern@...> for a copy of _Rabbi
Stern's Ten Commandments for Genealogists_. Or, access it on the web
at: http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/
--
Bernard I. Kouchel
<mailto:bkouchel@...>


"...respect the sensitivities of the living" #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

In the genealogical hunt to collect names, we sometimes find misguided
persons. They deliberately publish sensitive information about other
living relatives, despite objections.
I would label such persons as gossips, not genealogists. Genealogists
endeavor to unite families, not divide them.
I refer you to the words of the late Rabbi Malcolm Stern, Dean of
American-Jewish Genealogy, who wrote:

"Thou shalt respect the sensitivities of the living in
whatever you record but tell the truth about the dead."


Email to <mstern@...> for a copy of _Rabbi
Stern's Ten Commandments for Genealogists_. Or, access it on the web
at: http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/
--
Bernard I. Kouchel
<mailto:bkouchel@...>


JRI Poland #Poland Klimontow film now available! #poland

FLAVIO BARAN <flavio.baran@...>
 

Dear Jewishgenners,

The Klimontow Shtetl CO-OP Team is proud to inform that film #
809,130 is already available on the Internet. This film covers
the Birth, Marriage and Death records >from 1840 to 1853.

Many thanks to all those who made this indexing possible.

Flavio D. Baran
Klimontow Shtetl CO-OP Coordinator

http://www1.jewishgen.org/jri-pl


Klimontow film now available! #poland

FLAVIO BARAN <flavio.baran@...>
 

Dear Jewishgenners,

The Klimontow Shtetl CO-OP Team is proud to inform that film #
809,130 is already available on the Internet. This film covers
the Birth, Marriage and Death records >from 1840 to 1853.

Many thanks to all those who made this indexing possible.

Flavio D. Baran
Klimontow Shtetl CO-OP Coordinator

http://www1.jewishgen.org/jri-pl


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Hebrew names for women #lithuania

Theo Travis <travis@...>
 

In my experience women didn't need Hebrew names - a Yiddish name would do.
In my family, the women were given "Jewish" names, which in our case, was
Yiddish. That went for my grandmothers on both sides and my mother, and even
my sisters and I have only Yiddish names (don't ask me why my parents didn't
give us Hebrew names). One grandmother was >from a Hassidic family in
Bukovina. I was even named in an Orthodox shul with a Yiddish name only. So
maybe if women had a name that was already biblical, that's what they used
as their Hebrew name, or they had a Yiddish name instead.

Madelyn Travis
travis@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus Pogrom in Dolginov #belarus

IsraelP <p2o5rock@...>
 

I asked awhile ago if anyone knew anything about this, which was
mentioned as a point of reference in Hamelitz. The "thunder," as
HaMelitz called it, was supposedly in June/July 1886.

Several people asked to be informed if I came up with anything.

The head of the Dolginov assn here in Israel has indeed heard of it
but all he knew was that it was a popular (rather than government
sponsored) event. He sounded very depressed to be even discussing
dolginov, as it reminded him that all the old people (who *really*
knew things) are gone. He said he'd send me an announcement before
there annual memorial service. End of story, for now.

Israel Pickholtz


Hebrew names for women #lithuania

Theo Travis <travis@...>
 

In my experience women didn't need Hebrew names - a Yiddish name would do.
In my family, the women were given "Jewish" names, which in our case, was
Yiddish. That went for my grandmothers on both sides and my mother, and even
my sisters and I have only Yiddish names (don't ask me why my parents didn't
give us Hebrew names). One grandmother was >from a Hassidic family in
Bukovina. I was even named in an Orthodox shul with a Yiddish name only. So
maybe if women had a name that was already biblical, that's what they used
as their Hebrew name, or they had a Yiddish name instead.

Madelyn Travis
travis@...


Pogrom in Dolginov #belarus

IsraelP <p2o5rock@...>
 

I asked awhile ago if anyone knew anything about this, which was
mentioned as a point of reference in Hamelitz. The "thunder," as
HaMelitz called it, was supposedly in June/July 1886.

Several people asked to be informed if I came up with anything.

The head of the Dolginov assn here in Israel has indeed heard of it
but all he knew was that it was a popular (rather than government
sponsored) event. He sounded very depressed to be even discussing
dolginov, as it reminded him that all the old people (who *really*
knew things) are gone. He said he'd send me an announcement before
there annual memorial service. End of story, for now.

Israel Pickholtz


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania ENOUGH ON BEN AND BAT DISCUSSION #lithuania

Harold Rhode <hrhode@...>
 

Please, enough of this already. Why does everyone have to have an opinion here?

What is the purpose of what we are doing, personal power or getting the data out in
a useful form to the people.

Having dealt with these records for years, the easiest way to handle this is
(OPINION DELETED ) To anyone going back to the original sources
and who knows enough Russian to use them, it will be obvious how this works.

What is our goal? It thought it was to do genealogy. Let's end this silly
discussion, get the material out to the public, so that we all can use it.


Harold Rhode

Moderator's Note: This discussion was closed as of Sunday night but this
posting is being allowed because it represents a sound closure.
The opinion was edited out in all fairness to others who posted
after the deadline and whose messages were rejected.


ENOUGH ON BEN AND BAT DISCUSSION #lithuania

Harold Rhode <hrhode@...>
 

Please, enough of this already. Why does everyone have to have an opinion here?

What is the purpose of what we are doing, personal power or getting the data out in
a useful form to the people.

Having dealt with these records for years, the easiest way to handle this is
(OPINION DELETED ) To anyone going back to the original sources
and who knows enough Russian to use them, it will be obvious how this works.

What is our goal? It thought it was to do genealogy. Let's end this silly
discussion, get the material out to the public, so that we all can use it.


Harold Rhode

Moderator's Note: This discussion was closed as of Sunday night but this
posting is being allowed because it represents a sound closure.
The opinion was edited out in all fairness to others who posted
after the deadline and whose messages were rejected.