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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Deseption cold calling #general

shimonoz
 

david@... (David Fielker)wrote:
Sending family trees and other information is a good idea. Also, I read in
one of the JGS journals some time ago that a useful trick is to put back
ten years the birth date of the woman of the house to which you are
writing; this is supposed to guarantee a reply! I tried this once and it
worked. >>>>>>snip
Hello!
Dr. Rabbi A.SHALEM once gave me an advice he practice with his nephew.
He let his wife to call, using her maid's name, pretending she is a barrister & made an appointment in the hotel they were staying, the
reunion was a success.
Sending Family Sheets is a good idea.
Shimon Ouziel
Tel Aviv Israel

Seeking: OUZIEL; KABILI.


Deseption cold calling #general

shimonoz
 

david@... (David Fielker)wrote:
Sending family trees and other information is a good idea. Also, I read in
one of the JGS journals some time ago that a useful trick is to put back
ten years the birth date of the woman of the house to which you are
writing; this is supposed to guarantee a reply! I tried this once and it
worked. >>>>>>snip
Hello!
Dr. Rabbi A.SHALEM once gave me an advice he practice with his nephew.
He let his wife to call, using her maid's name, pretending she is a barrister & made an appointment in the hotel they were staying, the
reunion was a success.
Sending Family Sheets is a good idea.
Shimon Ouziel
Tel Aviv Israel

Seeking: OUZIEL; KABILI.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Mogilev and Bykhov - Any Other Researcher? #belarus

Myra S. Davis <myrabokpg@...>
 

The first message about the lack of information on Pinsk sure brought a
lot of response. Carol is now asking about Gomel. I am sure we will
see a lot of response to that area.
Now I am asking about Mogilev and Bykhov. Very, Very little about that
area. I met two very nice people on this discussion group >from that area
but that is all. Lets hear >from some more people searching that area.
Looking for DVOSKIN, was changed to DAVIS, PETCHERSKY, PETCHER,
BALACHINSKY or something like that.

MYRA DAVIS
myrabokpg@...


Mogilev and Bykhov - Any Other Researcher? #belarus

Myra S. Davis <myrabokpg@...>
 

The first message about the lack of information on Pinsk sure brought a
lot of response. Carol is now asking about Gomel. I am sure we will
see a lot of response to that area.
Now I am asking about Mogilev and Bykhov. Very, Very little about that
area. I met two very nice people on this discussion group >from that area
but that is all. Lets hear >from some more people searching that area.
Looking for DVOSKIN, was changed to DAVIS, PETCHERSKY, PETCHER,
BALACHINSKY or something like that.

MYRA DAVIS
myrabokpg@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus RE: Gomel - Any Other Researcher? #belarus

Dan Checkman <danc@...>
 

Actually, I have seen several messages with references to Gomel, although
they are infrequent. I know of at least three other individuals
researching Gomel and surrounding towns. The most recent reference that
I've seen was >from Jeanette DeLevie, who is searching for information on
the KHINOY family >from Vetka. My cousin, Lewis Faber, is researching
FABRICANT and WEISS, also >from Vetka. Another individual, whose name I
cannot remember right now, is looking for family records >from Nosovichi.
The surnames that I am researching >from the area (Gomel, Vetka, and
Nosovichi) include FABRICANT, WEISS, DUSKIN, and SHACHTMAN.

At any rate, there are many of us out there looking for stuff about Gomel
and vicinity. For people researching family in this region, there is a web
site devoted to Vetka that was set up by another cousin of mine, Ted
Kandell (I don't think he's part of the Belarus SIG). It includes family
photographs and some old documents but has not been updated in over a year.
If anyone is interested, the URL is www.geocities.com/Vienna/7360 . There
are more recent photographs of the region on several other sites, one of
which deals with the Chernobyl accident of the 1980s, which as I understand
it, has rendered much of the area around Vetka off-limits.

By the way, if you think you've missed a message referencing Gomel or
Pinsk, I suggest searching through the Belarus SIG archives on JewishGen
for either city.

Daniel Checkman,
New Orleans, LA

Carol Lipson wrote:
Lots of messages are noted the lack of attention to Pinsk. I'd add that
Gomel and surrounding towns and villages also had a substantial Jewish
population. Yet I see very little discussion of that area.
MODERATOR'S NOTE: If any members of this SIG are aware of websites with
information about a Belarus towns or shtetl, please contact Risa Heywood,
our SIG webmaster, <risah@...> and provide her with the URLs so that
she can link them to the Belarus SIG website.


Re: Gomel - Any Other Researcher? #belarus

Dan Checkman <danc@...>
 

Actually, I have seen several messages with references to Gomel, although
they are infrequent. I know of at least three other individuals
researching Gomel and surrounding towns. The most recent reference that
I've seen was >from Jeanette DeLevie, who is searching for information on
the KHINOY family >from Vetka. My cousin, Lewis Faber, is researching
FABRICANT and WEISS, also >from Vetka. Another individual, whose name I
cannot remember right now, is looking for family records >from Nosovichi.
The surnames that I am researching >from the area (Gomel, Vetka, and
Nosovichi) include FABRICANT, WEISS, DUSKIN, and SHACHTMAN.

At any rate, there are many of us out there looking for stuff about Gomel
and vicinity. For people researching family in this region, there is a web
site devoted to Vetka that was set up by another cousin of mine, Ted
Kandell (I don't think he's part of the Belarus SIG). It includes family
photographs and some old documents but has not been updated in over a year.
If anyone is interested, the URL is www.geocities.com/Vienna/7360 . There
are more recent photographs of the region on several other sites, one of
which deals with the Chernobyl accident of the 1980s, which as I understand
it, has rendered much of the area around Vetka off-limits.

By the way, if you think you've missed a message referencing Gomel or
Pinsk, I suggest searching through the Belarus SIG archives on JewishGen
for either city.

Daniel Checkman,
New Orleans, LA

Carol Lipson wrote:
Lots of messages are noted the lack of attention to Pinsk. I'd add that
Gomel and surrounding towns and villages also had a substantial Jewish
population. Yet I see very little discussion of that area.
MODERATOR'S NOTE: If any members of this SIG are aware of websites with
information about a Belarus towns or shtetl, please contact Risa Heywood,
our SIG webmaster, <risah@...> and provide her with the URLs so that
she can link them to the Belarus SIG website.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: cold-calling potential relatives #general

Corin Goodwin <corin@...>
 

Corin Goodwin wrote:

Can anyone give me advice as to how to handle these kinds of phone
calls? How does one approach someone who has never heard of you and say,
"Hey, I think we're cousins!" or otherwise broach the subject?
I have received many, many responses to my question, and I'm unable to
respond to everyone right away, so let me say "thanks!" to all and I
will read through them all and post a summary to the list when I am
through. Apparently this is not such an obscure concern, and I'm not
alone in feeling a little gun-shy about calling strangers. I really
appreciate the stories people shared and the encouragement >from most of
you.

Corin Barsily Goodwin
Cupertino, CA USA

BARSILA/BARZILY/BARZILOV - Russia; Scotland; NYC
BASOK/BARSACH - Orsha (Mogilev), Belarus; Scotland; NYC; Rhode Island
BOEHM/BRAUN/WEISS - Hungary; NYC; Middlesex County, NJ
DU BOFF/MISTROFF - Gorodische, Kiev Gub., Ukraine; NYC & LI; CT
KANEFSKY and RIVKIN - Elizabetgrod, Ukraine; NYC
SIGAAR - Amsterdam ...SLAUCKY - NYC ...VAN SANTEN - Amsterdam; NYC


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Any further comments, please send privately.


Re: cold-calling potential relatives #general

Corin Goodwin <corin@...>
 

Corin Goodwin wrote:

Can anyone give me advice as to how to handle these kinds of phone
calls? How does one approach someone who has never heard of you and say,
"Hey, I think we're cousins!" or otherwise broach the subject?
I have received many, many responses to my question, and I'm unable to
respond to everyone right away, so let me say "thanks!" to all and I
will read through them all and post a summary to the list when I am
through. Apparently this is not such an obscure concern, and I'm not
alone in feeling a little gun-shy about calling strangers. I really
appreciate the stories people shared and the encouragement >from most of
you.

Corin Barsily Goodwin
Cupertino, CA USA

BARSILA/BARZILY/BARZILOV - Russia; Scotland; NYC
BASOK/BARSACH - Orsha (Mogilev), Belarus; Scotland; NYC; Rhode Island
BOEHM/BRAUN/WEISS - Hungary; NYC; Middlesex County, NJ
DU BOFF/MISTROFF - Gorodische, Kiev Gub., Ukraine; NYC & LI; CT
KANEFSKY and RIVKIN - Elizabetgrod, Ukraine; NYC
SIGAAR - Amsterdam ...SLAUCKY - NYC ...VAN SANTEN - Amsterdam; NYC


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Any further comments, please send privately.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Emmigration from Mozyr #belarus

Neil K. Nelson <nkn@...>
 

I have just received information regarding my maternal grandfather's emigration
from Mozyr, Minsk Gubernia to Chicago, IL in 1910. Naturally, answers breed
more questions which by your indulgence I will ask here. Mnasha URESTKI, known
as Morris URITZ, arrived at Ellis Island aboard the vessel Bremen >from Bremen
Germany. Was this a common route >from Belarus? Just by looking at the map, it
doesn't appear that Bremen would have been my first guess as to the port he
would leave by. What were Russian emigration and US immigration like in 1910?
Would my gf have needed help to leave home (e.g. via bribe or being smuggled
out)? Would he have had to have relatives in the US to enter America (and if
so, would this relative(s) be listed on some document)? As you can see above,
my gf shortened his name >from Uretsky to Uritz. Is the "ski" in his name some
kind of suffix (e.g. "son of")? My gm also had a "ski" suffix in her name.

On my gf's gravestone, his Hebrew name is given as Mnasha Bet Resh Yisrael. I
am told that the Bet Resh probably is an abbreviation for Ben Rav; i.e. his
father was a teacher or rabbi. This same Resh also appears on the gravestones
of his wife, my gm, as well as my gm's mother. Do I come >from a long line of
rabbis, or was this merely a custom of the place and era to place this Resh
before the father's name? There is another abbreviation above my gf's and ggm's
Hebrew names: Peh Nun. Can anybody tell me what this means?

Finally, on my gf's Petition for Naturalization, he lists my gm's birthplace as
Shiniarky, Russia. My gm and gf were said to have been childhood sweethearts
before they emigrated, so I assume that Shiniarky must be near Mozyr. I have
been unable to locate Shiniarky on any map or in the Shtetl Seeker. Has anybody
ever heard of this place?

--
Neil K. Nelson in Austin, TX
mailto:nkn@...
Researching:
URITZ, URETSKI >from Minsk Gubernia, Belarus
VOLOFYANSKI >from Minsk Gubernia, Belarus


Emmigration from Mozyr #belarus

Neil K. Nelson <nkn@...>
 

I have just received information regarding my maternal grandfather's emigration
from Mozyr, Minsk Gubernia to Chicago, IL in 1910. Naturally, answers breed
more questions which by your indulgence I will ask here. Mnasha URESTKI, known
as Morris URITZ, arrived at Ellis Island aboard the vessel Bremen >from Bremen
Germany. Was this a common route >from Belarus? Just by looking at the map, it
doesn't appear that Bremen would have been my first guess as to the port he
would leave by. What were Russian emigration and US immigration like in 1910?
Would my gf have needed help to leave home (e.g. via bribe or being smuggled
out)? Would he have had to have relatives in the US to enter America (and if
so, would this relative(s) be listed on some document)? As you can see above,
my gf shortened his name >from Uretsky to Uritz. Is the "ski" in his name some
kind of suffix (e.g. "son of")? My gm also had a "ski" suffix in her name.

On my gf's gravestone, his Hebrew name is given as Mnasha Bet Resh Yisrael. I
am told that the Bet Resh probably is an abbreviation for Ben Rav; i.e. his
father was a teacher or rabbi. This same Resh also appears on the gravestones
of his wife, my gm, as well as my gm's mother. Do I come >from a long line of
rabbis, or was this merely a custom of the place and era to place this Resh
before the father's name? There is another abbreviation above my gf's and ggm's
Hebrew names: Peh Nun. Can anybody tell me what this means?

Finally, on my gf's Petition for Naturalization, he lists my gm's birthplace as
Shiniarky, Russia. My gm and gf were said to have been childhood sweethearts
before they emigrated, so I assume that Shiniarky must be near Mozyr. I have
been unable to locate Shiniarky on any map or in the Shtetl Seeker. Has anybody
ever heard of this place?

--
Neil K. Nelson in Austin, TX
mailto:nkn@...
Researching:
URITZ, URETSKI >from Minsk Gubernia, Belarus
VOLOFYANSKI >from Minsk Gubernia, Belarus


Belarus SIG #Belarus Another subsriber interested in Pinsk area. #belarus

Joseph Manes <jmanes@...>
 

I want to join the chorus of subscribers with an interest in Pinsk. My
mother's family (RUBENSTEIN changed to MUDRICK in the late 19th C to
avoid subscription) came >from Telekhany; my father's family (MANASHUK
changed to MANES in the US) came >from Stolin. For both Stetls, Pinsk was
the nearest large city. I have the Yiskor book for Telekhany with a few
sections translated into English; would be happy to exchange my
translated sections with anyone who has other sections in English. Is
there a Yiskor book for Stolin? I have not heard of one.

Joe Manes
jmanes@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Joe and others, if you have material such as Yizkor
book translations which you would like to share, we can put this material
on the website. The normal procedure is to donate the translation to the
Yizkor Book Project of JewishGen. We will then link it to the Belarus SIG
webpages. Please go to the homepage of JewishGen and click on the Yizkor
Book Project.


Another subsriber interested in Pinsk area. #belarus

Joseph Manes <jmanes@...>
 

I want to join the chorus of subscribers with an interest in Pinsk. My
mother's family (RUBENSTEIN changed to MUDRICK in the late 19th C to
avoid subscription) came >from Telekhany; my father's family (MANASHUK
changed to MANES in the US) came >from Stolin. For both Stetls, Pinsk was
the nearest large city. I have the Yiskor book for Telekhany with a few
sections translated into English; would be happy to exchange my
translated sections with anyone who has other sections in English. Is
there a Yiskor book for Stolin? I have not heard of one.

Joe Manes
jmanes@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Joe and others, if you have material such as Yizkor
book translations which you would like to share, we can put this material
on the website. The normal procedure is to donate the translation to the
Yizkor Book Project of JewishGen. We will then link it to the Belarus SIG
webpages. Please go to the homepage of JewishGen and click on the Yizkor
Book Project.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Messages about PINSK #belarus

SKerlin882@...
 

Dear Logan,

I believe I seen your name connected with Motol as well. To answer your
question Wolf Zeev Rabinowtitsch has written a number of books. I believe
he was a rabbi in London and was related to a number of Rabbis both
Chassidic and Orthodox. The "Karlin Hassidism" article you can get from
Yivo Institute of Jewish Research in New York. As for the book, I got it
thru an interlibrary loan. I have copies of some this material (ie. some of
the selections) but not the complete book since its in Hebrew and is over
two volumes. I can send you what I have, if you have no luck.

Stephen Kerlin
SKerlin882@...


Re: Messages about PINSK #belarus

SKerlin882@...
 

Dear Logan,

I believe I seen your name connected with Motol as well. To answer your
question Wolf Zeev Rabinowtitsch has written a number of books. I believe
he was a rabbi in London and was related to a number of Rabbis both
Chassidic and Orthodox. The "Karlin Hassidism" article you can get from
Yivo Institute of Jewish Research in New York. As for the book, I got it
thru an interlibrary loan. I have copies of some this material (ie. some of
the selections) but not the complete book since its in Hebrew and is over
two volumes. I can send you what I have, if you have no luck.

Stephen Kerlin
SKerlin882@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Pinsker Association #belarus

Itzhak Epstein <Itzhak.Epstein@...>
 

In addition:

There is a group in NYC by the name of Pinsker Friends.

Their only activity is a yearly Shoah memorial sometime in the fall.
I finally contacted them this past summer and was added to their mailing list.
Alas, the notice was lost in the mail and I did not attend.
I just spoke with the contact person and he allowed me to give his name,
address and phone number:

Steven Kolodny
300 East 57 Street
New York, NY 10022
212-752-6675

There may be something else and I will inform you if and when I find out.


Marvin Lederman wrote:
Itzak Epstein wrote giving the name and address of
a Pinsker organization in Israel. I have not had the opportunity to
contact them as yet, but here is the name and address that he had
supplied:
Association of the Jews of Pinsk in Israel
CH. Sherman
Hahashmonaim 44 Tel-Aviv 64251 Israel

Itzhak Epstein
<Itzhak.Epstein@...>


Re: Pinsker Association #belarus

Itzhak Epstein <Itzhak.Epstein@...>
 

In addition:

There is a group in NYC by the name of Pinsker Friends.

Their only activity is a yearly Shoah memorial sometime in the fall.
I finally contacted them this past summer and was added to their mailing list.
Alas, the notice was lost in the mail and I did not attend.
I just spoke with the contact person and he allowed me to give his name,
address and phone number:

Steven Kolodny
300 East 57 Street
New York, NY 10022
212-752-6675

There may be something else and I will inform you if and when I find out.


Marvin Lederman wrote:
Itzak Epstein wrote giving the name and address of
a Pinsker organization in Israel. I have not had the opportunity to
contact them as yet, but here is the name and address that he had
supplied:
Association of the Jews of Pinsk in Israel
CH. Sherman
Hahashmonaim 44 Tel-Aviv 64251 Israel

Itzhak Epstein
<Itzhak.Epstein@...>


Belarus SIG #Belarus ALENIKOFF #belarus

Myree Mueller <myree@...>
 

Hello all... first day on this mailing list!

My grandmother was born ALENIKOFF in Vitebsk on 14th September 1902.
Was married to a Michael BLUSTEIN at aged 16. Then left Vitebsk for
China via Siberia. Went to Harbin, China and then finally Shanghai
China. Had three sons with Blustein (last of whom Robert Bluestone
passed away a few months ago in Australia). Grandmother divorced
Blustein/Bluestone in Shanghai and then married my grandfather
MULLER/MUELLER. Had one son (my father). Divorced again. Grandmother
emigrated to New York via Hong Kong around 1949. Do not know if she
married again. Apparently she passed away in NY on 25th January 1977.

I have visited www.ancestry.com and cannot find anyone on their Social
Security Death Index Database that matches both these birth and death
dates.

Does anyone have any idea how I can find records of my ALENIKOFF
ancestors in Vitebsk?

My grandmother went by the first name Haia but I've been told that Clara
was also her name.

Regards,

Myree

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ALENIKOFF #belarus

Myree Mueller <myree@...>
 

Hello all... first day on this mailing list!

My grandmother was born ALENIKOFF in Vitebsk on 14th September 1902.
Was married to a Michael BLUSTEIN at aged 16. Then left Vitebsk for
China via Siberia. Went to Harbin, China and then finally Shanghai
China. Had three sons with Blustein (last of whom Robert Bluestone
passed away a few months ago in Australia). Grandmother divorced
Blustein/Bluestone in Shanghai and then married my grandfather
MULLER/MUELLER. Had one son (my father). Divorced again. Grandmother
emigrated to New York via Hong Kong around 1949. Do not know if she
married again. Apparently she passed away in NY on 25th January 1977.

I have visited www.ancestry.com and cannot find anyone on their Social
Security Death Index Database that matches both these birth and death
dates.

Does anyone have any idea how I can find records of my ALENIKOFF
ancestors in Vitebsk?

My grandmother went by the first name Haia but I've been told that Clara
was also her name.

Regards,

Myree

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lost family in Argentina #general

Herut Shlomoff <heruts@...>
 

Dear friends,
I will appreciate any help you can give me to find my family in
Argentina.
A year ago, when I started to look for them, I knew only their first
names. After a very hard and complicated search - I have enough details
(I hope) to find them.
I live in Israel and I don't speak Spanish.
The story of my Argentinean family:
My second cousin - Chava (that's her firs name in Hebrew. Maybe in
Spanish: Eva), born 1925. Her mother was my grandmother's sister.
Chava married to Alfonso-Benjamin GARELIK, born 1925
They had one daughter. Her first name Silvia, born 1950.
The Garelik family immigrated >from Buenos Aires, Argentina to Israel
in 1963 (I was then a young girl).
They returned to Argentina in 1966 and we lost contact with them.
Thank you.

Herut Shlomof, Israel
Heruts@...
http://www.netvision.net.il/php/heruts
Searching:
ORCHANSKY, KAPAROVSKY, PEVZNER >from Rechitsa, Gomel, Orsha, Kaporovka -
Belarus.
ROZENBLUM, ROCHBERG >from Skvira, Simferopol - Ukraine.
GERSHENGORN >from Kherson - Ukraine.

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Lost family in Argentina #general

Herut Shlomoff <heruts@...>
 

Dear friends,
I will appreciate any help you can give me to find my family in
Argentina.
A year ago, when I started to look for them, I knew only their first
names. After a very hard and complicated search - I have enough details
(I hope) to find them.
I live in Israel and I don't speak Spanish.
The story of my Argentinean family:
My second cousin - Chava (that's her firs name in Hebrew. Maybe in
Spanish: Eva), born 1925. Her mother was my grandmother's sister.
Chava married to Alfonso-Benjamin GARELIK, born 1925
They had one daughter. Her first name Silvia, born 1950.
The Garelik family immigrated >from Buenos Aires, Argentina to Israel
in 1963 (I was then a young girl).
They returned to Argentina in 1966 and we lost contact with them.
Thank you.

Herut Shlomof, Israel
Heruts@...
http://www.netvision.net.il/php/heruts
Searching:
ORCHANSKY, KAPAROVSKY, PEVZNER >from Rechitsa, Gomel, Orsha, Kaporovka -
Belarus.
ROZENBLUM, ROCHBERG >from Skvira, Simferopol - Ukraine.
GERSHENGORN >from Kherson - Ukraine.

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Groups (SIG), including one for Latin America : Lantam Sig.
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