Re: Where did the term Galitziana come from? #general


This is a question I've had forever, so thanks for posting it.

Re Gallego, I have a friend who grew up in Galicia, and learned from her that the language is mutually intelligible with Spanish, but more in the sense that if you speak Portuguese (which Gallego resembles closely--no surprise, since it borders Portugal) or Italian you can get the gist of it, and vice versa.  Also, people in Galicia didn't have much choice to learn Spanish. Growing up under Franco she and her friends were not permitted to speak Gallego in school; if they did, they were punished.  Tout ca change ...
Erika Gottfried
Teaneck, New Jersey

Re: Data Breach at GEDmatch has Concerns Over Privacy #dna #announcements


I looked at the New York Times story referenced and read in it with some amusement that GEDMATCH "contacted the F.B.I. to see if the agency would investigate" and "The F.B.I. did not respond to a request for comment."  Why would it, since the F.B.I. is one of the law enforcement organizations that would benefit from broad access to commercial DNA databases, and may even already have done so?

Erika Gottfried
Teaneck, New Jersey

Hungarian Research Division Virtual Meeting Wednesday August 12 #announcements #hungary

Vivian Kahn

Sziasztok barátok! Greetings friends!!

The JewishGen Hungarian /Research Division (formerly the Hungarian SIG) will meet virtually on Wednesday, August 12, from 11:15 am - 12:15 am, U.S. Eastern time.

I’ll will be giving a presentation on the Division’s recent and upcoming activities including updates to the Hungarian database. You do NOT have to be a paid conference attendee to join in. However, whether or not you’ve paid for the conference, you do need to register to attend this and other “Free Access Sessions.” Please read more below.


Go to the Attendee Service Center on the conference website (, sign in, and select “Update Your Info.” Then click “Edit” and page through your registration until you reach the listing of free sessions. Select your choices, then be sure to continue to the end of the registration to save them.


If you have not registered for the conference and want to have access to SIG and BOF meetings and other free events, go to and register for the Virtual Limited Access Conference. Select your choices, then be sure to continue to the end of the registration to save them.

If you have already registered for limited free access but did not select the meetings you want to attend, please go back and edit your registration to include your choices. Follow through to the end of the registration to save them.

For more information about the conference see or . Registration questions/problems? Contact registration@....

Vivian Kahn
JewishGen Hungarian Research Director
Vivian Kahn, Santa Rosa, California
Researching families including:
BERKOVICS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/GROSZ. Avas Ujvaros, Hungary/Orasu Nou, Romania
KAHAN/JOSIPOVITS/DUB, Sziget, Kabolacsarda, Nagyvarad, Hungary/Sighet, Ciarda, Oradea, Romania
KOHN/Zbegnyo/ Zbehnov, Tarnoka/Trnavka, Slovakia; Cleveland  LEFKOVITS/Kolbasa/Brezina, Slovakia
MOSKOVITS/Honkocz, Szobranc, Osztro, Kassa, Hungary/Chonkovce, Sobrance, Ostrov, Kosice, Slov., Nyiregyhaza, Hungary
ELOVITS/Hornya, Hungary/Horna, Slovakia
NEUMANN/Szeretva, Kereszt, Nagymihaly, Miskolc, Hung./Sobrance, Kristy, Stretavka, Michalovce, Slov. 
POLACSEK/Hunfalu, Hungary/Huncovce, Slovakia
SPITZ/Nikolsburg/Mikulov, Prosnitz/Prostejov, Moravia/Czech Republic; Kismarton/Eisenstadt, Hungary/Austria; Hunfalu,Hungary//Huncovce, Slovakia

Re: Beltsy Birth Records #bessarabia #records


I can't help because I can't read Cyrillic.

But, I am very interested in the results.
My grandfather's brother Itzka Barer claimed to have been born in Beltsy.

Re: Ancestry purchased by Blacksone #announcements

Shelley Mitchell

One of the interesting aspects about the purchase of Ancestry by Blackstone is the history of both. In 2016, GIC, a Singapore state company, with Silver Lake, were the majority owners. Before this purchase, China sold its modest interest in Blackstone. Blackstone is still a multinational and operates from the US.

Re: Online trees #general


I have had my trees on FamilySearch, wikitree, my heritage and probably others. No issues found family, found documents. But recently FamilySearch has recruited "volunteers" who now add whatever they want to my tree. Some of their information is correct, but some is not. They add the information without approval, and sometimes with very poor research. I was furious. I spent at least an hour removing their finds, including relatives they gave me that were not mine. I am now thinking of removing everything from FamilySearch.

Searching:TSIBULSKY #ukraine


My great-grandfather's name was Feivel Tsibulsky (Zibulsky?). He perished with his second wife during the holocaust. They died as martyrs, heroically, and I need information to proceed with a search. I cannot find any records of them. I know they lived in Kodima (Kodyma?), in the Ukraine. I am trying to find out given names,  birthdate (or assumed birthdate), where they may have lived prior to the war, or anything else. His daughter, my maternal grandmother, was Mania (Manya?), married to Max Gorbaty.
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WW2 Service Records on Ancestry and other Genealogy websites #records #general

My father, Joshua  Loften served 5 years in The British Army as an infantryman and signalman.   He learnt morse code in the Jewish Lads Brigade when he was a boy of 9 so he was very fast at transposing it into good English as his spelling was excellent.  He had a particular skill that the army recognised and his posting just before  D day was to SHAEF in Europe. He was at Lunenburg Heath In Germany on May 8th 1945  when the German high command walked in and surrendered. unconditionally and as the signalman on duty, he was given the order to send out the news flash to all press agencies that the war in Europe was at an end.  Our family had the original message with his initials as the sender but now, unfortunately, it's long gone.   He was awarded five medals.includining the French and German battle star for those battles that he took part in , which included  Caen,  the Falaise Gap , The Ardennes, The night crossing of the Wessel bridgehead into Germany, in which the  Independent infantry brigade unit that he was assigned to came up against the Hitler Youth and the fighting was extreme and bitter He had another medal for a disability that he had from broken leg whilst on active 1942 . i have tried searching all the online websites that claim to have complete or extensive records of those who served in  WW2 but not one of them has any record of his name. The only way I could find any trace of his service record was to write to the UK  Ministry of Defense and give his service number. and a fee of £20  After five weeks  I received a bulky envelope that contained 20 pages of his service records.  The websites such as Ancestry claim to have complete military records of WW2 but unfortunately, that is not so . It causes me some distress when I mention to people what my father did during the war and they in turn search Ancestry and Military records sites for his name and there is not any mention of him having ever served. They think I made it all up because his name is not the online records  I do not know the reason why it is not there. However, I do have the proof in the documents that  I received directly from the MOD.
I also took the trouble to search online for my uncles whom I knew to be in the 8th Army at the battle of El Alamein and Two other uncles who served in the RAF and could not find any records for them either  I think Ancestry and other sites should make it very clear that the records that they have for WW2 and put online are not at all complete.

Seeking Lasutra family #general #photographs


It is a very rare surname so everybody must be related. I've copied everything that can be found on the USHMM and Ancestry web site. For some reason, the name does not show in SSDI, perhaps it has changed. Israeli sources still have to be checked.

My mother's aunt told me, some 30 years ago, that Lasutras emigrated to America. Just yesterday, a different version was presented by her daughter who remembers packages "from Palestine". Maybe, the Lasutras emigrated to both places. Mother's relatives stopped corresponding in the late 40's-early 50's. A man from their shtetl, remembered now only by his first name, Falik, was put on trial and sentenced to hard labor for corresponding with relatives abroad. My mother's uncle got scared to death and tore up all letters, envelopes, pictures, etc. so the contact was lost. They all lived in a small town of Pulin (also known as Chervonoarmejsk), but the story was repeated many times throughout the land of victorious socialism. Another example that comes to mind is my parents' neighbor in Zhitomir by the name of Meyerovich who was sentenced to hard labor for listening to the Voice of America, also ca. 1950.

A side project: if you are interested in Pulin, I organized photography of all remaining tombstones at the Pulin cemetery. The project is currently underway.

So, has anybody crossed paths with a Lasutra or heard this name?

Thank you!



Boris Feldblyum
FAST Genealogy Service

Re: Zibulsky family #ukraine


Thank you for your interesting etymology, Dr. Ash. My family - so far as I am aware - never made it to Germany, so I don't think that could be part of the equation, (although I could be wrong). The surname could be a nonsense word, as sometimes happened in Russia, also explaining why onion may be in there too. I know very little about the name otherwise. As for the Cyrillic spelling to Latin I don't know that either. I will take your suggestion and try to search with "Tsibulsky". (I think I have seen that spelling somewhere, too.) Thank you!

Re: Where did the term Galitziana come from?#general

Alexander Sharon


In Ukrainian Galicia is known as Halychyna - there is the relation between Halych and Halychyna. 
In year 1206 Hungarian king Andrew II, following occupation of The Duchy of Halicia adopted title Rex Galiciae et Lodomeriae. This title was used by other Hungarian kings and Austrian monarchs who inherited Hungarian crown. At the beginning of 14th century the Duchy of Halicia became part of The Kingdom of Poland.

Re: Where did the term Galitziana come from?#general


Halych: the H & G are cognates between Polish and Russian.

I have read that Halych referred to the salt mines in Polish Galicia, But it could also refer, as the Spanish place does, to Celtic Gauls who lived there at some point. 

A quick on-line search will provide more information.

Re: 1940 USA census what does an X in a circle mean? #records

Sally Bruckheimer

The X by some person's name on the census means that is the person that the census taker talked to and got information from.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Re: Otto WEISZ, Vienna #austria


Hi Harvey

The BMD records of the IKG Wien are online on familysearch, also the Wiener Meldezettel (registry records of the inhabitants).

The Wienbibliothek (Library of Vienna) has the Lehmann city directories online.

The Austrian national Library has several newspapers of Vienna online.

Death of Dr. David Weisz, Lindengasse 4, Wien VII, 27. December 1918, he came from the Komitat Tolna in Hungary

Death of Ignatz Weisz, 3. October 1900, father of Dr. David Weisz. There are listed other children of Ignatz (siblings of David).

Death of Fanny Weisz (née Taussig), 11. August 1909, mother of Dr. David Weisz. There are listed other children of Fanny (siblings of David).

Corinne Iten

Re: Nussdorfs brothers-Hungary or Berlin #germany #hungary

Judy Petersen

Hi Barbara,
     Should we assume you have checked JewishGen's All Hungary Database?  There are a few NUSZDORF names there, mostly from Galicia, but also a few in Putnok, Hungary.
     Do you have access to MACSE?  There are 3 NUSSDORF listings there.  One for Sara, daughter of Tillie NUSSDORF, who married Chaim ROSENBERG, one for their daughter Sarolta who married Rezso TOLMAR, and one for their daughter Regina (birth record).  Henrik STORCH is mentioned on all of these records.
     Have you considered checking NUS[S]DORFER or NUSZDORFER?  There are about 30 records for these surnames on MACSE, but they all seem to be Roman Catholic.  Still, perhaps the family converted....???
     There are also a few Jewish NUSSDORF records on the GenTeam (Vienna records) site.  Did some family stay in the area?

                   Judy Petersen

Re: Seeking any and all information on Max Koenig and Hannah (Morgenstern)Koenig #austria #usa


Hi All Max was born about 1863-65, and his second wife Hannah/Anna Morgenstern was ten years younger than him and was born about 1875. I have a few death dates from the online death index, but have no way of knowing if it's him. I will list them below. Any and all help is appreciated.
Max Koenig Age 74 died in Bronx 12/22/1941 #11665
Max Koenig Age 79 died in queens 1/24/1942 #794
Max Konick age 84 died in kings 4/23/1945 #8594
Anna Koenig Age 73 died in Bronx 2/20/1948 #1992

Sarah Greenberg(USA)

Re: Online trees #general

Max Heffler

Geni most certainly has a Sources tab for each profile and one random one I pulled up has links to 1920 and 1930 censuses. There is also a Media tab for each profile, Discussion, Revisions, etc…


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Subject: Re: [] Online trees #general


Sorry, however that’s not my experience with geni. (i.e., ”like open source code progressively more correct”... not). In my opinion, a more accurate simile might be: ’like a camel is a horse put together by a committee... And there aren’t sources’.

Alan Ehrlich


Web sites I manage - Personal home page, Greater Houston Jewish Genealogical Society, Woodside Civic Club, Skala, Ukraine KehilalLink, Joniskelis, Lithuania KehilaLink, and pet volunteer project - Yizkor book project:

Re: Belarus Meeting at the IAJGS Conference #belarus #announcements


I think you meant to say meeting will be at 245p EDT ( Eastern daylight time.). It’s summer and the conference is running on EDT 

The Given Name Sissel #names #germany

Ralph Baer

Al Lederer recently posted the link to the long-awaited Baiersdorf, Bavaria cemetery documentation. This cemetery contains the graves of a number of my ancestors and many other family members on at least four branches of my tree from Baiersdorf and Forchheim. One grave is for Sissel AUB, son of Me’ir. He was apparently a brother of my ancestor Abraham Meyer AUB and a half-brother of my ancestor Simon Meyer AUB, both also buried there.
This is the link to Sissel AUB’s stone . According to the documentation, he died on March 18, 1814. There was a census of the Jewish community of Baiersdorf in 1796. There is no Sissel AUB listed. However there were two men living with Abraham Meyer AUB who were designated as relatives or servants, Männlein (born about 1746) and Eißig (born about 1748).
My question is, could either the name Männlein or Eißig (Isaac) correspond to Sissel?
Ralph N. Baer        RalphNBaer@...       Washington, DC

Re: Census question #bessarabia #records

Yoram Millman

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:00 PM, Yoram Millman wrote:
Is there census records of the Jewish residence in Kishinev and Kalarash before and after the pogroms ( 1903-1905)?
Were the names of the victims published someplace?

Yoram Millman