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Re: Online trees #general

Alan Ehrlich
 

Sorry, however that’s not my experience with geni. (i.e., ”like open source code progressively more correct”... not). In my opinion, a more accurate simile might be: ’like a camel is a horse put together by a committee... And there aren’t sources’.

Alan Ehrlich
Switzerland

Re: Online trees #general

Alan Ehrlich
 

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 04:16 PM, Marcel Apsel wrote:
  I feel a pity for all the geni administrators who have to clean out mistakes and non realistic input. 
Except, from my experience, they don’t (clean out mistakes) even after several messages set months apart.

Very frustrated about that platform.

Alan Ehrlich
Switzerland

Re: My Heritage - Theory of Family Relativity (+ Ancestry & 23andMe) #general

Moishe Miller
 

Hello Group,
 
I find the varied responses so interesting. For me, I have found:
  • Ancestry: with my 164,747 matches, ThruLines only gave me results 6 generations back, almost all of them tied to a tree that is not true. This is not Ancestry's fault as the tree was copied by many people and is sadly, pervasive. However, it did link me to a real 3c1r and with that, I brought my Schwimmer tree from Munkacz back 4 generations. It was my best and most definitive DNA success, supported by genealogical sources in both the USA and Europe.
  • 23andMe: with my 1,381 results, pedigree collapse and endogamy, it did a fair job and I found 3 new lines that I am exploring. BTW, for those that feel they do not have enough matches, I have tested my father also, and 23andMe tells me 1,379 of the 1381 matches are paternal.
  • MyHeritage: with my 12,357 matches; it by far gave me the most results. I was able to use those results to find the same cousins in Ancestry, where there was no Thruline. I think the results for me were mainly from Israelis with Galician and Austria-Hungarian ancestry.
Stay safe, stay healthy,
 
Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
JGFF# 3391

JewishGen @IAJGS2020 #JewishGenUpdates #events

Avraham Groll
 

Dear JewishGen Family,
 
Each year, our friends at the International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies organize a world-class conference, bringing together scholars, researchers, volunteers, and well-known Jewish genealogists. For nearly an entire week, there are countless opportunities for participants to network, attend sessions, share information, connect with relatives, research their lineage, and ultimately, learn more about our collective Jewish family history and heritage. 
 
Unfortunately, due to COVID-19, the conference could not take place in its usual format. But just because we cannot come together in person, does not mean the conference is cancelled! Quite the opposite. The IAJGS team has organized a remarkable 4-day, virtual experience, that will take place next week Monday August 10 - Thursday August 13. It will feature a variety of live and pre-recorded sessions, along with opportunities to engage online with other conference participants.
 
As the home of Jewish genealogy and a major sponsor of this conference, JewishGen.org is proud to participate, and will be offering live and pre-recorded presentations, along with our Research Division meetings. We hope you will join us. All of the live JewishGen programming is offered at no charge, but participants need to register for the conference by visiting: https://bit.ly/30q0zcO. A complete list of live JewishGen presentations/meetings can be downloaded by visiting: https://bit.ly/2DpzNsC 
 
For additional information about the conference (including information about recordings), we encourage you to visit the conference FAQ page: https://bit.ly/3a3paaI

Finally, on behalf of the JewishGen Team, I would like to extend a special note of gratitude to Robinn Magid, Dr. Dan Oren, and everyone who has been involved in the organization of this first-of-its-kind conference. There is no road-map or template for what they have created, and they have worked hard to accommodate as many people and ideas as possible. We greatly appreciate their efforts, and for granting us all an opportunity to benefit from what will surely be a meaningful, informative, and inspirational conference. 

Wishing you all a Shabbat Shalom, and a wonderful weekend.

Avraham Groll
Executive Director
JewishGen.org

Re: Beltsy Birth Records #bessarabia #records

Dr.Josef ASH
 

Yefim,
I know Russian and Hebrew (and even learn Yiddish).
I can do the work (as far as I understand it now) for a couple of hours a week.
Shabbath shalom

Re: Zibulsky family #ukraine

Dr.Josef ASH
 

Cheril, do you know the way this surname passed from the Cyrillic spelling to the Latin one?
I ask, because Ukrainian has no word Zibulya (so what would the surname mean?).
But it has the word for onion which begins from Ц pronounced "ts".
If the surname passed through German it may explane your spelling,as German pronounces "Z" as "ts".
It is possible the search for TSIBULSKY will be more successful.
I hope.
Shabbath shalom

US Census Bureau webinar #events #records #announcements

cohen.izzy@...
 

Where We Come From: Tips and Tricks to Access Data on Ancestry and Foreign-born Populations

Discover the best way to access demographic, socioeconomic and housing data about foreign-born populations using data.census.gov. Learn about how we collect data, regardless of legal status, unauthorized migrants are included in Census Bureau estimates of the total foreign-born population. In this webinar, we will also explore topics such as nativity, ancestry, language, and more.

Join Us

The U.S. Census Bureau uses the term foreign-born to refer to anyone who is not a U.S. citizen at birth. This includes naturalized U.S. citizens, lawful permanent residents, temporary migrants, humanitarian migrants, and unauthorized migrants.

   
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Surnames: Kizhnerman / Schalamuk / Arcuschin #belarus #ukraine #bessarabia

marcelo kisnerman
 

Dear colleagues
 
I am Marcelo Kisnerman from Argentina.
 
I would like to obtain information on the following surnames of my ancestors. Perhaps there are censuses from the 1850s to the 1900s, birth or death books.
 
Kizhnerman or Kiznerman from Rezina, Bessarabia, present-day Moldova
Schalamuk or Shalmuk of Grodno, present-day Belarus.
Arcuschin or Arkushyn of current Kherson Ukraine
Shalom

Re: Online trees #general

Max Heffler
 

Minor children are not readily available to all on geni. Only close family can see the information.

 

From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of JoAnne Goldberg via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 12:14 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Online trees #general

 

Geni is currently a bit of a mess. Though I like the concept, the
execution has been less than optimal. Privacy is an issue, with, for
example, the information of minor children (whose parents don't want
them on Geni) readily available to all.  My experience with the curators
is that some are terrific and others more on the hamfisted side,
depending on their ideology.


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Bessarabia Research #events #announcements #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Hello everybody,  

If you are interested in Bessarabia/Moldova region, you may want to participate in
JewishGen Bessarabia Research Division Meeting, part of the JewishGen Virtual conference of 2020.
Such meetings are open to public, and you only need to register (free)   (https://s4.goeshow.com/iajgs/annual/2020/index.cfm)
Meeting is on Monday, August10th,  1:30 PM - 2:30 PM

I will present an overview of what we accomplished this year and what are our plans for near future.

Hope to see you online soon.

Shabbat Shalom,
Yefim

Beltsy Birth Records #bessarabia #records

Yefim Kogan
 

Hello Bessaraber,

I am going to administer the Beltsy Birth Records for now from the new Bessarabia project we started.
We got these records for 8 years from 1911 to 1918.  
I have one person who is going to work on this project,  and need  more people who can read Russian handwriting.  First we need a Russian translator, there is also a side of the pages in Yiddish (Hebrew), but from past experience if Russian is readable enough,  Yiddish will not add much to the record.

Please let me know if you are up to this task.

All the best,
Shabbat Shalom,
Yefim

How to find your town's JG Research Division or SIG - (Using JewishGen's Communities Database) #general

Nolan Altman
 

If you want to find out if there’s a JewishGen Research Division or other outside group that covers your ancestral town, here’s an easy way to do it….

 

  1. Go to JewishGen’s Town Finder at https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Search.asp and enter your town name.  Click on the “Start the Search” button and find your town listed on the next screen.
  2. Click on the JewishGen logo and that will take you to your town page.
  3. Scroll all the way to the bottom right of the page and you’ll see entries for “Additional Information” for your town.  If the town is covered by a RD/SIG, it will be listed there with a link.

 

The Town page has lots of information on the history of the town along with all the other resources that are in JewishGen that relate to that town.  Personally, I think this is probably one of the most helpful, and underutilized resources in JewishGen!

 

Please also see “8 Ways to Get the Most Out of JewishGen’s Communities Database” at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyVDNpjDnF4 part of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island’s YouTube Library of short instructional videos.

 

Good luck with your research!

 

Nolan

Re: Is there a research section that covers the Vileika Uyezd of Vilnius Gubernia #belarus #lithuania

Nolan Altman
 

Hi Susan,

According to the Town page for Vileika, that area is covered by JewishGen's Belarus Research Group and Litvak SIG. Scroll down to the bottom right of the Town page and see the names of the relevant RD/SIG groups at 
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1951292) 

Nolan

Re: Online trees #general

JPmiaou@...
 

Both individual tree sites like Ancestry and MyHeritage and collaborative sites like Geni, WikiTree, and FamilySearch have their advantages and disadvantages, but it is my strong belief that the only way to maintain proper privacy for the living is to not put any identifying details about them on _either_ type of site. If you don't want people to find something, don't put it online. All genealogy sites have privacy settings, and I do use those, but what I "hide" behind them are placeholders: usually just a name, sometimes a birth year or decade (just so stuff will sort correctly). And if a living relative is unmarried or otherwise not a "connecting piece", I don't even make a placeholder for him or her. I only keep track of those people in my stricly-offline tree.

Regarding the messes that people can make out of family tree information: these happen on both types of platform, and in some ways, the individual tree messes are worse, because the sites encourage those mistakes to propagate, and then it becomes impossible to fix. For example, there's someone on Ancestry who made my stepmother-in-law into my father-in-law's great-grand-aunt, and now there are at least half a dozen trees on Ancestry that have this extra daughter attached to parents who lived a century earlier than the correct family. I have sent messages to several of the users involved, but have had no response.

The advantage of a collaborative tree is that if you encounter a mess, you can fix it. Whether your fix will "stick" depends on the specific users involved; sometimes, people blindly and persistently copy whatever they have from some source (be that another website or an old genealogy book), especially if there's an easy automated way to do it, and it can take some extended back-and-forth to convince them of their error. On an individual-trees site, you can simply choose to ignore the system's perpetual prompts about the incorrect trees. Annoyance either way, but I feel the collaborative approach is more fruitful in the end.

Julia
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Re: Online trees #general

JoAnne Goldberg
 

Geni is currently a bit of a mess. Though I like the concept, the
execution has been less than optimal. Privacy is an issue, with, for
example, the information of minor children (whose parents don't want
them on Geni) readily available to all.  My experience with the curators
is that some are terrific and others more on the hamfisted side,
depending on their ideology.

I have a subset of my tree on Ancestry, and though I have my issues with
that platform, at least I can control what's on the tree and what others
can see. And I'm not siloed, as Ancestry shows me other trees that
include my ancestors -- or people who look like them -- often with new
info. I can look at the evidence and decide whether I want to add the
new info/new people to my tree.

It's still early days in the online tree business, and I expect the
landscape is going to look very different in another ten years; maybe
something like a Geni/Ancestry hybrid will emerge.
--
JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535
BLOCH, SEGAL, FRIDMAN, KAMINSKY, PLOTNIK/KIN -- LIthuania
GOLDSCHMIDT, HAMMERSCHLAG,HEILBRUNN, REIS(S), EDELMUTH, ROTHSCHILD, SPEI(Y)ER -- Hesse, Germany
COHEN, KAMP, HARFF, FLECK, FRÖHLICH, HAUSMANN,  DANIEL  -- Rhineland, Germany

 

JRI-Poland volunteer meeting - Tuesday, Aug. 11, at the IAJGS Conference #poland #announcements

Stanley Diamond
 

 
The annual JRI-Poland volunteer meeting will take place virtually this year
at the upcoming IAJGS conference on:
 
Tuesday, August 11,  12:30 pm - 1:30 pm U.S. Eastern time
(9:30 am - 10:30 pm Pacific
7:30 pm - 8:30 pm UK
8:30 pm - 9:30 pm Central Europe
9:30 pm - 19:30 pm Israel
2:30 am - 3:30 am next day (Wednesday) Australia)
 
The meeting is for our volunteers and others with a serious interest
in giving back and contributing to the JRI-Poland mission.  
 
It will be an opportunity to hear more about how the JRI-Poland 
Next Generation web site and data management project will help 
our town leaders and other volunteers to benefit from the new 
features and tools that will be available in the future.
 
You do not have to be a paid conference attendee to join in.
 
However, whether or not you've paid for the conference, you do 
need to register to attend this and other "Free Access Sessions." 
Please read more below.
 
PAID CONFERENCE ATTENDEES:
Go to the Attendee Service Center on the conference website
and select "Update Your Info." Then click "Edit" and page through 
your registration until you reach the listing of free sessions. Select 
your choices, then be sure to continue to the end of the registration 
to save them.
 
FREE ACCESS ONLY:
If you have not registered for the conference and want to have 
access to SIG and BOF meetings and other free events, go to
and register for the Virtual Limited Access Conference. Select 
your choices, then be sure to continue to the end of the 
registration to save them.
 
If you have already registered for limited free access but did not
select the meetings you want to attend, please go back and edit 
your registration to include your choices. Follow through to the 
end of the registration to save them.
 
Stanley Diamond, M.S.M. 
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.
  
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: My Heritage - Theory of Family Relativity #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

Ancestry's Thru-Lines is just matching family trees, yours and somebody else's. I have found cousins by DNA (that I knew were cousins), but they hadn't entered enough family tree to be found by Thru-Lines. But the Thru-Lines found me a second family of a cousin, that was, I think, excommunicated from the family.

If that is all that MyHeritage Theory of Relativity is, it sounds much better than it is.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Zibulsky family #ukraine

cheryl.r.grossman
 

My great-grandfather's surname was Zibulsky. He perished with his second wife during the holocaust. They died as martyrs, heroically, and I need information to proceed with a search. I  know is that they lived in Kodima (Kodyma?), in the Ukraine. I have not been able to find any records on their lives - or deaths. I am trying to find out given names,  birthdate (or assumed birthdate), where they may have lived prior to the war, or anything else. His daughter, my maternal grandmother, was Mania (Manya?), married to Max Gorbaty.

Cheryl Grossman
 
 
 
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Vital records for Burgenland after 1920 #austria #records

Ruth
 

Can anyone tell me if there are vital records available for Burgenland after 1920 when it became part of Austria.  In particular, I am looking for records for Bernstein im Burgenland, Rechnitz, Oberwart and Deutsch Schutzen.

thanks
Ruth Bloomfield
London

Canada BOF/SIG Meeting at the IAJGS Virtual 2020 Conference #announcements #jgs-iajgs #canada

Stanley Diamond
 

 

The Canada BOF/SIG will meet virtually on Wednesday, August 12, from 10:00 am - 11:00 am, U.S. Eastern time. (7:00 am - 8:00 am Pacific, 3:00 - 4:00 pm UK, 5:00 - 6:00 pm Central Europe, 6:00 - 7:00 pm Israel, 12:00 - 1:00 am next day Australia).
 
Please join us for networking, research updates and information about Canadian records, the JGS of Montreal https://www.jgs-montreal.org/ research dashboard and more! The meeting is open to all with connections to Canada; you do not have to be a paid conference attendee to join in. However, whether or not you’ve paid for the conference, you do need to register to attend this and other “Free Access Sessions.” Please read more below.
 
PAID CONFERENCE ATTENDEES:
 
Go to the Attendee Service Center on the conference website (https://s4.goeshow.com/iajgs/annual/2020/asc_login.cfm, sign in, and select “Update Your Info.” Then click “Edit” and page through your registration until you reach the listing of free sessions. Select your choices, then be sure to continue to the end of the registration to save them.
 
FREE ACCESS ONLY:
 
If you have not registered for the conference and want to have access to SIG and BOF meetings and other free events, go to https://s4.goeshow.com/iajgs/annual/2020/registration_form.cfm and register for the Virtual Limited Access Conference. Select your choices, then be sure to continue to the end of the registration to save them.
 
If you have already registered for limited free access but did not select the meetings you want to attend, please go back and edit your registration to include your choices. Follow through to the end of the registration to save them.
 
We look forward to "seeing you" at the Canada meeting.
 
For more information about the conference see www.iajgs2020.org or www.facebook.com/groups/IAJGS . Registration questions/problems? Contact registration@....
 
Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.
Coordinator, Canada SIG/BOF
President, JGS of Montreal