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Re: NY cemeteries 1905 #general #usa

Teewinot
 

Washington Cemetery (718) 377-8690

Mt. Zion Cemetery
http://www.mountzioncemetery.com/

Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida


On 10/25/2020 3:56 PM, Trudy Barch wrote:
I think I have found a cousin that died as a baby (Lillie Shapiro) in
Manhattan, NY 1905.  On FamilySearch, I found 2 death items with burial
dates 2 weeks apart AND different cemeteries. Parents names are similar
– Isack/Isadore and Ida Eisenberg (todays spelling)

One cemetery is Washington with burial August 28, 1905 and the other
cemetery is Mt. Zion with burial September 13, 1905

I was not able to find either cemetery online today.   Are they still in
existence?

Any suggestions, how might I prove which cemetery and date this
baby/child died and was buried?

Thank you for any help and suggestions you can give me.

Trudy Barch,    Florida
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Re: NY cemeteries 1905 #general #usa

Diane Jacobs
 

Both cemeteries are still in existence.
Mount Zion has an online search engine
you can use.  Washington Cemetery you
can call.

Diane Jacobs 



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-------- Original message --------
From: Trudy Barch <cousintrudy@...>
Date: 10/25/20 3:56 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Jewishgen Digest Q & A <main@...>
Subject: [JewishGen.org] NY cemeteries 1905 #usa #general

I think I have found a cousin that died as a baby (Lillie Shapiro) in Manhattan, NY 1905.  On FamilySearch, I found 2 death items with burial dates 2 weeks apart AND different cemeteries. Parents names are similar – Isack/Isadore and Ida Eisenberg (todays spelling)

One cemetery is Washington with burial August 28, 1905 and the other cemetery is Mt. Zion with burial September 13, 1905

I was not able to find either cemetery online today.   Are they still in existence? 

Any suggestions, how might I prove which cemetery and date this baby/child died and was buried?

Thank you for any help and suggestions you can give me.

 

Trudy Barch,    Florida


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Re: Miami-Dade County, FL voter records from 1930s? #usa

Teewinot
 

You could try this website:

https://voterrecords.com/voters/fl/before+1930/1

Or try contacting:

Miami-Dade County Supervisor of Elections

Christina White, Supervisor
2700 NW 87th Ave
Miami, FL 33172

P O Box 521550
Miami, FL 33152 -1550

Phone: 305-499-8683
Fax: 305-499-8501
Email: soedade@...
Web Address: http://www.miamidade.gov/elections/

Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida


On 10/25/2020 6:15 PM, David W. Perle wrote:
Hi all, my great-grandfather had been a staunch Republican, in and
outside of local office, through the mid-1930s in Paterson, NJ.  The
family then moved to Miami Beach.  I found a couple of local political
gossip columns in NJ which noted that he'd supposedly changed his
political identity in Florida to Democrat!  It's pretty hilarious to me
but would make sense--the columns do note that the region was quite
Democratic, and it'd be smart for business to go with the flow.

I'm hoping that I might be able to get my hands of archived voter
registration info which would show that he did indeed register there as
a Democrat?  (Nothing via Ancestry right now.)

David W Perle
Washington, DC

Researching PRZEGRODA, BLUM, PERLE, ARONOWSKY, SMOLEY/SMOLA, GOTTLIEB
(Newark NJ from Austria-Hungary),
KROLL, COLLIER/KALIR, SKORA...
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Re: Help with dates from 1800s Russia/Poland #general

Stephen Weinstein
 

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 07:20 PM, Trudy Barch wrote:

On a piece of paper that I found next to her name is 2699 and next to his name is 2695.

 

Could they be birth years?   Death years?    Hebrew date year?   Russian/Polish date year?   

Poland, as a Roman Catholic country, would have been using the same calendar since the late 1500s as what is now the U.S. has been using since the mid-1700s.  The years 2699 and 2695 are not until almost 700 years into the future on that calendar.

Russia used a slightly different calendar, but the difference was less than two weeks, so the years 2699 and 2695 are not until almost 700 years into the future on that calendar either.

On the Hebrew calendar, the current year is 5781, so 2699 and 2695 were over 3000 years ago.  I do not believe that you found records of Jews in Russia/Poland that were that old.

The current Islamic (Muslim) year is 1442, so 2699 and 2695 are over 1000 years into the future.

I haven't checked the Chinese calendar, but agree with Ethan that these numbers are not years.

Stephen Weinstein
stephenweinstein@...
Camarillo, CA, USA


Re: NY cemeteries 1905 #general #usa

David Oseas
 

Mt. Zion is online (http://www.mountzioncemetery.com/search.asp?type=interment ).  

Washington Cemetery is represented on FindAGrave (https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/66651 ), although only about 15% of the Washington burials are covered.  There is contact information listed for the Washington Cemetery office.

Regards,
David Oseas

Researching:
HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York;   KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles
KRONOWITH:
Hungary > New York;   OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles
SCHECHTER/SHEKTER: Kishinev, Bessarabia > New York;   SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania > New York > Los Angeles
STRUL:  Iasi, Romania > Haifa, Israel;  WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles


Miami-Dade County, FL voter records from 1930s? #usa

David W. Perle
 

Hi all, my great-grandfather had been a staunch Republican, in and outside of local office, through the mid-1930s in Paterson, NJ.  The family then moved to Miami Beach.  I found a couple of local political gossip columns in NJ which noted that he'd supposedly changed his political identity in Florida to Democrat!  It's pretty hilarious to me but would make sense--the columns do note that the region was quite Democratic, and it'd be smart for business to go with the flow.

I'm hoping that I might be able to get my hands of archived voter registration info which would show that he did indeed register there as a Democrat?  (Nothing via Ancestry right now.)

David W Perle
Washington, DC

Researching PRZEGRODA, BLUM, PERLE, ARONOWSKY, SMOLEY/SMOLA, GOTTLIEB (Newark NJ from Austria-Hungary),
KROLL, COLLIER/KALIR, SKORA...


Town in Minsk #belarus

Mary Ellen
 

Can anyone identify this town in Minsk? I cannot find Sibishoff anywhere on a map.

Thank you,

Mary Ellen Pollack #222350

 


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I have a relative who says her grandfather was born in Minsk. I see on the map that there are 2 Minsk"s.
One seems to be a region/state and the other a town by the same name in that region. How am I to
know which Minsk my relative is referring to. Thank you.
Mary Ellen
#222350


Re: Zack in San Diego or Los Angeles #usa

Roberta Berman
 

I was the coordinator of the San Diego Jewish Genealogical Society project to record the names on the graves in the San Diego County Jewish cemeteries or Jewish sections of cemeteries for JOWBR.  The Home of Peace Cemetery gave us a complete copy of their records, which included not only the names of the deceased, but additional information such as the name of the person the death certificate was sent to, the name of the rabbi or cantor, the mortuary.  Not all the entries have additional information.

The entry for Gregorio states that the death certificate was sent to Srul Kleinman in Whittier, California.  I left out the street address, but if you Google him, you'll you should easily find it.  The mortuary was Cypress View and the service was done by Cantor Max Furmanski of Mexico.  

Julia is not included because she died in 1998 and we finished the project in 1995.                                                                    

Roberta Berman
Researching CHAMEIDES, from anywhere
BERMAN (Bobrinets, Ukraine)
WAGNER, HERSCHKOWITZ  (Roman, Romania)  
OPPENHEIM (Belarus)
SCHONHOLZ (Zaleszczyki, Galicia)
AGUILO (Majorca)                                                                                                   


ViewMate translation request - Russian #russia #translation #poland

Greg Tuckman
 

Hello everyone,
I've posted 5 vital records in PRussian for which I need a translation.  They are on ViewMate at the following addresses ...
1.  Birth record of Cypa Ita LAKS:  https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM86806&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd9f3fa8f65fe4ef676b508d8792516b1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637392547480567116%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=gvCV6vDw9QVOtP3reQKKB9TcPnzziSRQBd4%2B4lrLNVk%3D&amp;reserved=0

2.  Birth record of Brandla Rojza WAJNTRAUB:  https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM88107&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc89717a032a04d05c77708d8792578bb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637392549137205777%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=czzwEhLigotax1khNQVPtYDbCTnYIYT1ew%2BFEQzKhMk%3D&amp;reserved=0

3.  Birth record of Gitla MITELMAN:  https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM88108&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccb563663287f4bb4df5f08d879257caf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637392549192193850%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=tkziXan6G7LX2JDEDynwTU91pxcPfa8ZxxhexBuHsHw%3D&amp;reserved=0

4.  Birth record of Chana Estera ROZENCWAJG:  https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM88117&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfa8f11d56e984f31f91508d879258bbd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637392549445181130%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=5%2BWBdGehG3p62u1nDpFjkmFXMsSs84dwXkSvuPODHfY%3D&amp;reserved=0

5.  Birth record of Josef ROZENCWAJG:  https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishgen.org%2Fviewmate%2Fviewmateview.asp%3Fkey%3DVM88220&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C14c9a47e20d545d06a7e08d879267795%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637392553401437478%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=DZyAqf4v9ks8lKLcigchF744b71mStJ5Dn%2BXI9B9dA0%3D&amp;reserved=0
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Greg Tuckman
Phoenix, Arizona USA


Re: Okun from Rogachev #belarus

June Genis
 

I am researching Okun from Rogachev as well.  Who are the people you are looking for?  My Okuns look to come from the shtetl of Tichinichi new Rogachev.

June Genis
junegenis@gmailicom


Re: Help with dates from 1800s Russia/Poland #general

ewkent@...
 

Dear Trudy Barch (or Trudy):

I hope that someone yet-more-experienced with genealogy than I am will respond to your query, but I will say/ask:

I) If Abram and Mejta were born in and lived in what we consider the 19th century,

1) The numbers "2699" and "2695" could not possibly be years from the Jewish calendar (the Jewish year would be 3760 plus the Gregorian calendar year after December of the Jewish year -- so the Jewish year would have to be beyond 5500 in the 19th century);

2) while the Russian Empire did not use the Gregorian calendar (it was adopted by the Soviet Union until after the 2nd Russian Revolution of 1917 which brought it into power in the former Empire), I (myself) doubt that calendar years there could have been hundreds of years "off" from the "Common Era" (to Christians, "Anno Domini") which we use (the Wikipedia article on "Anno Domini" seems to say that the Russian Empire adopted the "Anno Domini" numbers for years in 1700).

II) I strongly suspect that what you have are record numbers for Abram and Mejta from either a document or an index -- which leads me to the questions:

III) What is the "piece of paper that" you "found" with these numbers on it, and (if possible) could you describe it and/or post to this thread a scan of what you have seen??

Good Luck with your query.

Sincerely,

Ethan Kent (in New York City).


Re: Seeking England and Australia Research Help - Michael WEINSTEIN Family #general #belarus #unitedkingdom

Pieter Hoekstra
 

Aaron, I was told many years ago never to trust death records. As an example I have an Elizabeth MOSS in my tree. Her death in Sydney Australia lists here parents from London as Isaac and Elizabeth. The mother's name is correct as no doubt this person told her family she was named after her mother. However her father's name was Henry, not Isaac. Be careful with information found in death records as it is provided by third parties.

Registration Number 

Last Name 

Given Name(s) 

Father's Given Name(s) 

Mother's Given Name(s) 

District 

Purchase Certificate 

1193/1964

BLEVINS

ELIZABETH

ISAAC

ELIZABETH

SYDNEY

 

 


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Judaica at the Virtual Exhibition “The Golden Age of the Jagiellonian Dynasty” #galicia #poland #announcement

Gesher Galicia SIG
 

The Ossolineum Library has launched a virtual exhibition “The Golden Age of the Jagiellonian Dynasty” with many unique objects showing the Renaissance-period culture in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The exhibition is accessible in English via the link:

https://zlotaepoka.ossolineum.pl/en/

Among the books, manuscripts and objects of art displayed online, there are also artefacts relating to the Jewish people, like the 1569 Cracow edition of Shulchan Aruch, one of two existing copies in the world (section: “The Society and Economy,” category: “Nations and Faith”). The accompanying videopodcasts have English
subtitles. Of particular interest is the presentation by Professor Marcin Wodziński, who heads the Wroclaw University's Department of Jewish Studies.

We extend our congratulations to Dr. Agnieszka Franczyk-Cegla, co-creator of the exhibition and Gesher Galicia's archival advisor in the Ossolineum. For more information on the Ossolineum history and collections, please refer to the article by Dr. Franczyk-Cegla published in the Galitzianer, June 2020, pp. 4-8.

Dr. Andrew Zalewski
Gesher Galicia, Vice President
Public Education, subsection
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NY cemeteries 1905 #general #usa

Trudy Barch
 

I think I have found a cousin that died as a baby (Lillie Shapiro) in Manhattan, NY 1905.  On FamilySearch, I found 2 death items with burial dates 2 weeks apart AND different cemeteries. Parents names are similar – Isack/Isadore and Ida Eisenberg (todays spelling)

One cemetery is Washington with burial August 28, 1905 and the other cemetery is Mt. Zion with burial September 13, 1905

I was not able to find either cemetery online today.   Are they still in existence? 

Any suggestions, how might I prove which cemetery and date this baby/child died and was buried?

Thank you for any help and suggestions you can give me.

 

Trudy Barch,    Florida


Creating a map in Europe #general

Moishe Miller
 

Hi,
I hope everyone is doing well.

My paternal grandparents left Nyirbator, Hungary, via railroad, to a port city in Italy, and from there, via boat, to Paris, France. Would anyone have a suggestion about a way to show this trip on a map. Is there software or an online option that can provide me with a print-ready solution?

Also, would anyone know of a database or search engine that can help me find a manifest of my grandparent's ship voyage from Italy to France, in 1938 (I do have their 1942 ship manifest from France to Baltimore, MD)?

-Stay safe, 
Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@...
JGFF# 3391


Memorial Book of Borsa #romania

melaniegharris@...
 

Does anyone know if any more of the Memorial Book of Borsa has been translated. If not, is there a way I can help to make that happen.

Melanie Harris


Looking for Herman/Hyman Wayler on ships manifest #general #lithuania

Debbie Fleischhacker Wayler
 

Hi
I am looking for information about my husband's grandfather Hyman/Herman Wayler born June 16, 1883 in Kaunas (Kovno).
According to his naturalization papers he immigrated on the ship Barcelona originating from Hamburg arriving in the US on Feb 2 (5), 1903.
I can not find his name on the ship's manifest.  He had no other relatives in the US. We are wondering if he changed his last name.
thank you so much
Debbie Wayler
Boston, MA


Re: Seeking England and Australia Research Help - Michael WEINSTEIN Family #general #belarus #unitedkingdom

ann.belinsky@...
 

Dear Aaron,
I contacted my cousin who lives in Brisbane and who is in charge of his Shul's records. He has no records of Harry (Henry) Moses Weinstein (Winston). He also contacted a friend of his in South Brisbane and received the following negative reply:

"Sorry, not even a near miss.
No Weinstein or Winton around 1955 or ever at Toowong
The nearest is a Hirsch Weinstein at Rookwood NSW born 1888 died 22 Sep 1954."

In my opinion, the best option is to request a death certificate from the relevant Queensland Death Records. But since it is less than 70 years since his death, there may be privacy issues. 

Ann Belinsky


Shoah Atrocities Map (SAMU) Project #general #ukraine

Ellen Slotoroff Zyroff
 

https://mailchi.mp/c6a017ed3621/tsal-kaplun-fundraising-campaign-october-2020?e=576fda1bc5


"in June of 2020, TKF received a prestigious grant from the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) to develop the Shoah Atrocities Map – Ukraine (SAMU) Project.  Read more about the IHRA grant.
The goal of the SAMU project is to create a Shoah Atlas, which will provide a visual representation of killing site data and serve as a one-stop hub for information about Holocaust killing sites in Ukraine.

TKF, together with the Ukrainian Center for Holocaust Studies (UCHS), has developed a methodology for data collection and gathered information about killing sites in four Ukrainian regions: Khmelintsky, Rivno, Zhitomir and Volhyn. Seven professional Ukrainian researchers are currently involved in data collection, verification, and analysis. The Shoah Atlas will be used to train Ukrainian teachers in Holocaust studies. Five US-based volunteers are entering data and creating online profiles of the killing sites. For more information about the SAMU project, please visit our Pilot Map.

In July of this year our Foundation received the Rabbi Malcolm Stern Award for creating a map of the Jewish population of the Russian Empire based on the 1897 census, using the map4us platform, read more. Additionally, TKF developed a specialized tool named “Fishele” to connect modern Jewish genealogical researchers with the their particular shtetl’s online FB community, read more...

In September of 2020, TKF completed a documentary, The Last Chapter, about the history of the Jews of Izyaslav, a small town in North-Western Ukraine. The documentary provides a compelling narrative of the life of the Jewish community in Izyaslav from the 17th Century to the present. The film leads viewers through different periods of Jewish history in Ukraine, where times of prosperity were replaced by times of persecution.  Please watch The Last Chapter, other  documentaries about the Holocaust in Ukraine are located on our YouTube channel.
TKF staff made numerous trips to Izyaslav, where the Foundation established a Regional Holocaust Research Center and built two monuments at Holocaust killing sites.

In spring of 2020, TKF sponsored the publication of the book The Life of Izyaslav Jews by Ludmila Levitsky. Mrs. Levitsky’s book traces the history of the Jewish community in Izyaslav and contains details about Jewish life in the periods between the two World Wars and after WWII.

All of the above activities required significant funding and thousands of hours of volunteer work.  We need to emphasize that the IHRA grant, as many others grants, requires 50% co-funding to be raised by the Foundation.
Please help us move forward with the SAMU project and donate through our page at GoFundMe.

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CHARKOVSKY or SHARKOVSKY(Ukraine);
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GLUSKIN (Ukraine)
LIMON (Berestechko, Volynia, Ukraine)
TESLER (Horochiv, Volynia, Ukraine)
ZYRO (Zabolativ, Ukraine) 
TAU (Zalolativ, Ukraine)
PISTERMAN (Ukraine)
ROTH / ROT (Ataki, Bessarabia, Moldova)
BLAUSTEIN (Chernigov, Ukraine or Minsk, Belarus)


Re: Seeking England and Australia Research Help - Michael WEINSTEIN Family #general #belarus #unitedkingdom

David Lewin
 

At 16:05 24/10/2020, Philip via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
Dear Aaron,

The website https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate enables you to search for a UK probate record and obtain a copy of the record and of a will, if there is one.  I did a search and found Michael's probate record from 1919 which shows that he died on 23rd October 1918.  I assume you already have a copy of this via Ancestry but if not you can reach it via the above website.

As for vital records, UK birth certificates record both father's and mother's names, but of course that's not much use if Michael was born elsewhere!  Marriage certificates record only the father's name.  It might be worth searching UK newspapers to see if you can find any further information about Michael.

Not sure this helps you much, but good luck in your search!

Kind regards, Philip Tepper (Manchester, UK)
_._,_._,_


There is an untruth being perpetrate here which I have so far not "sussed out". I think the ".gov.uk" is no longer true and that the UK Government has abrogated its responsibility in this respect.  A private outfit is masquerading behind a UK Government service

If you move from the page quoted  https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate ( which purports to be an official UK Government site ) and click on the bright Yellow button "START NOW >"it change to green with yellow frame momentarily and takes you to the search page which still PRETENDS to be a UK Government site

HOWEVER - you have now reached a site addressed as
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

and when I have ordered documents here I landed in the clutches of

 From: HMCTS Wills <HMCTSWills@...>

NOTE:    ironmountain.co.uk     no longer a UK.gov

Does anybody know of these changes?

Here one example:

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.4
From: HMCTS Wills <HMCTSWills@...>
To: "david@..." <david@...>
Subject: RE: Contact Support Request
Thread-Topic: Contact Support Request
Thread-Index: AQHTaD5T9SxfAEB2lkm0ssvqODHKCqMp9lOQ
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:10:53 +0000
Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach: yes
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
x-originating-ip: [10.195.56.56]
X-UKServers-IP: 193.30.233.17
X-Envelope-To: david@...

Good afternoon
 
Thank you for your email.  I am sorry to read that you are unable to access your requested document.
 
Your order is ready to download.  Please sign-in and (having been returned to the search page - do not search for your record again) go to the My Wills section located at the top of the screen, which lists all of your available documents for you to download at your leisure.
 
If the will is not annexed to the grant then you may need to download the will from a separate download link.  Please see below for an example:
 

 
If this problem persists, or your display is not showing any of the above, then please let me know and I will resolve this matter for you.
 
Kind Regards
 
Patrick OHagan
HMCTS Wills Helpdesk
 
 
 
From: no-reply@... [ mailto:no-reply@...]
Sent: 28 November 2017 11:45
To: HMCTS Wills
Subject: Contact Support Request
 
Order Number: 475578
Registered Email Address: david@...
Contact Name: David Lewin

Order Date: 22 November 2017 09:39
Surname
First name
Date of Probate
Registry
Estimated Delivery Date
LEHMANN
MARGOT
13 July 2001
Winchester
07 December 2017


User Query:
The probate grant speaks of an attached will but this was not attached

User Query Date: 28 November 2017 11:45


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Ironmount have sent me documents totally unconnected to the purchase I made.  They were for a different name altogether.    For speed I repeated the order - and they again got it wrong, could not find my order  till I sent them the payment proof.    Still I am waiting, and despairing



Here an example of one exchange:

For years I have been ordering death certificates and associated probate records via
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

Whereas in the past these wee serviced by offices in Leeds you seem to have subcontracted this to an American outfit named      ironmountain

Not only is there no indication on the web page at https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate and at https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills that one is NOT speaking to a Government Department. the payment confirmations come through from  "Wills, HMCTS Wills" <hmctswills@...>

A whois search on the company gives no point for help to the public.

I have been waiting since August for one particular set of documents.   I repeated the order on 7 Sep 2020 12:44   because I had been sent totally wrong documents
 and still cannot find what happened/

7 Sep 2020 10:38


https://payments.epdq.co.uk/ncol/prod/orderstandard.asp
7 Sep 2020 12:44
Payment confirmation
Order overview
Order reference :       874898
Beneficiary :   Probate Search Service

Please will you help me out of this hole?

Thank you

David Lewin


I see this as a disaster and do not know how to end the nightmare

David Lewin
London