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Re: Louis ROSENBERG - Johnstown, PA and Bayonne, NJ #general

Diane Jacobs
 

If you haven't done so already, the place to start is familysearch.org.   You can register 
At no charge, but be sure to keep your name and password available when they ask for it

You click on search and put in names, possible birth years and state they lived in
You should be able to find info on them


Good luck.
Diane Jacobs 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Jules Feldman <jfeldman@...>
Date: 10/12/20 5:27 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Louis ROSENBERG - Johnstown, PA and Bayonne, NJ #general

Morris ROSENBERG was born in Pandelys, Lithuania c1880 and migrated to the
USA in 1906 and lived in Johnstown, PA.
He was married twice. With his first wife Anna nee SHAPIRO he had 5
children.
After her death in 1920 he married Lydia SHONBERG and their son Louis
ROSENBERG was born in Johnstown in 1923 . Soon after Louis' birth they
divorced and Morris and his children from his first marriage moved to New
Orleans.
The children from the first marriage lost contact with Louis.
Louis later lived in Bayonne, NJ where he died in 1996.
He may have been married to Sylvia who lived at the same address in Bayonne.
If Louis ROSENBERG had children , I would like to trace them and make
contact with them.

Thanks,
Jules Feldman
Kibbutz Yizreel
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Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Re: ViewMate translations - Russian #translation

ryabinkym@...
 

VM86915
in Russian:
Посад Вышков
# 14

Состоялось в посаде Вышков 23-го апреля (4 мая) 1886 года, в 10 часов утра. Явился лично Вульф Цимбаль, 59 лет, и Шлёма Зильберман, 60 лет, оба религиозные учители, живущие в посаде Вышков, и объявили, что вчера, в 6 часов вечера, умерла Эстер Зильберман, 50 лет, дочь живущих Шлемы и Мириам, урожденной Сливка, родившаяся и прожившая в посаде Вышков. По настоящему удостоверяю о кончине Эстер Зильберман. Акт объявляющим прочитан и мною подписан. Свидетели не грамотны.

Чиновник гражданского состояния Подпись

Translated into English:
Posad Vyshkov
#14

It took place in the settlement of Vyshkov on April 23 (May 4), 1886, at 10 am. Wulf Zimbal, 59, and Shlema Zilberman, 60, both religious teachers living in the settlement of Vyshkov, appeared personally, and announced that yesterday, at 6 pm, Esther Zilberman, 50, the daughter of living Shlema and Miriam, née Slivka, had died.  She was born and lived in the Vyshkov settlement. I am truly certifying the death of Esther Silberman. The announcement has been read and signed by me. The witnesses are not literate.

Civil Status Official Signature

Translated by Michael Ryabinky
 


Re: ViewMate translations - Russian #translation

ryabinkym@...
 

VM86914

In Russian:

 

Посад Вышков

#48

Состоялось в посаде Вышков 4-го (16-го) ноября 1884-го года, в 4 часа вечера.  Явился лично Вульф Цимбаль, 58-и лет, и Шлёма Зильберман, 59-и лет, оба религиозные учители, живущие в посаде Вышков, и объявили, что сегодня, в 6 часов утра, умерла Хая-Сура Зильберман, вдова, урожденная Сокол, 60 лет, дочь покойного Зелика и Естер, урожденной Цимбал, родившаяся и прожившая в посаде Вышков, вдова покойного мужа Азека Зильбермана. По настоящему удостоверяю о кончине Хаи-Суры Зильберман.  Аkт объявляющим прочитан и мною подписан.  Свидетели не грамотны.

 

Чиновник гражданского состояния    Подпись

 

Translated into English:

 

Posad Vyshkov

# 48

It took place in the settlement of Vyshkov on November 4 (16), 1884, at 4 pm. Wulf Tsimbal, 58 years old, and Shlema Zilberman, 59 years old, both religious teachers living in the settlement of Vyshkov, personally appeared, and announced that today, at 6 o'clock in the morning, Khaya-Sura Zilberman, a widow, nee Sokol, had died. She was 60 years old, daughter of the late Zelik and Ester, née Tsimbal, who was born and lived in the Vyshkov settlement, widow of Azek Zilberman's late husband. I truly certify about the death of Khaya-Sura Zilberman. The announcement has been read and signed by me. The witnesses are not literate.

 

Civil Status Official Signature
Translated by Michael Ryabinky




ROSENBERGtwin sisters - Bayonne, NJ #usa

Jules Feldman
 

Would like to make contact with the twin sisters Ilona and Irene ROSENBERG
who grew up in Bayonne NJ

Thanks,
Jules Feldman
Kibbutz Yizreel


Re: Missing Grave Mt Carmel Cemetery #usa

Dahn Cukier
 

Hello,
 
The death was in 1930, I suggest searching in the vicinity of the
husband's grave. Since you searched by date,
they may not have recorded the burial and there may
not be a gravestone. This in NYC during the beginning of
the depression. If the husband buried her without recording the
burial, there would be no record, and maybe no grave to find.
 
I have in Israel, come across many
problems, maybe something can help, here are the stories.
 
1) Misspelled names "david" in Hebrew is usually spelt
daled, vav daled, but can have a yud. All graves in one
cemetery were recorded in the database with the yud.
 
2) An Israeli astronaut had the wrong age-at-death in the database.
 
Both 1 and 2 were reported to yad Lebanim and were corrected.
 
3) A grave that had Mendel and family name in the data base
but Menachem Mendel familyname on the stone. This was reported
by email and took 3 emails to correct.
 
4) I know, and check  from time to time, there is a grave
recorded in the correct plot but wrong cemetery with
the wrong name.
 
I took photos of over 1000 Dept of Defense graves in Israel,
and over 30% had/have mistakes. Many small of one yud
and not 2, but some have the wrong parent name, or age-at-death,
or the given and family names are reversed. (David Yacov and
not Yacov David).
 
Non-DOD.
 
Before 1960 or so, Israeli cemeteries did not always record burials,
and then did not always record non Jewish (by halacha) in Jewish
cemeteries. I have searched both old Yavneh and old
Gan Yavneh cemeteries
and found graves of people unlisted - on the other hand
both are quite small.
 
There are many mistakes on all computer records of burials before
1985 when the first small computer became popular. I found a number
in Nachalat Yizhak at Tel Aviv, and one record recorded date of
death has 1936 and not the correct 1934.
 
Dahn Cukier.
 
When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas
(Gunsmoke)
 
 

On Monday, October 12, 2020, 12:27:21 AM GMT+3, tsteinberg via groups.jewishgen.org <tsteinberg=yahoo.com@...> wrote:
 
 
Hello All:
Need to some help or advice. I have the death certificate for my GGGM Leah Brawer( misspelled on death certificate as Braver). It says she is buried in Mt Carmel Cemetery in New York. However, she is not listed on the internment list. I called the cemetery and after spending 20 minutes on the phone with me and searching by date of death and different spellings, they could not find either in their computer system.  Her husband David Brawer is buried there as well as her daughter and son in law(Max and Bella Pfeffer). Any thoughts on how to proceed? I have attached her death certificate if it helps.

Thanks
Todd Steinberg

Attachments:


Louis ROSENBERG - Johnstown, PA and Bayonne, NJ #general

Jules Feldman
 

Morris ROSENBERG was born in Pandelys, Lithuania c1880 and migrated to the
USA in 1906 and lived in Johnstown, PA.
He was married twice. With his first wife Anna nee SHAPIRO he had 5
children.
After her death in 1920 he married Lydia SHONBERG and their son Louis
ROSENBERG was born in Johnstown in 1923 . Soon after Louis' birth they
divorced and Morris and his children from his first marriage moved to New
Orleans.
The children from the first marriage lost contact with Louis.
Louis later lived in Bayonne, NJ where he died in 1996.
He may have been married to Sylvia who lived at the same address in Bayonne.
If Louis ROSENBERG had children , I would like to trace them and make
contact with them.

Thanks,
Jules Feldman
Kibbutz Yizreel


Re: ViewMate translation request: Hebrew #translation #slovakia

Kenneth Ryesky
 

{Here Lies}
...
Gitel the daughter of Mordechai
 
Died 8 Adar II, 5717
 
{May her soul be bound to eternal life}
 
 
Ken Ryesky
Petach Tikva, ISRAEL
 

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Ken Ryesky,  Petach Tikva, Israel     kenneth.ryesky@...


Re: Missing Grave Mt Carmel Cemetery #usa

A. E. Jordan
 




-----Original Message-----
From: tsteinberg via groups.jewishgen.org

Need to some help or advice. I have the death certificate for my GGGM Leah Brawer( misspelled on death certificate as Braver). It says she is buried in Mt Carmel Cemetery in New York. However, she is not listed on the internment list.


REPLY:


She is there as Leah Brown it looks like.  I looked at the plot he is buried in and then search jyst by 1930 and there are only three burials and one is Leah Brown on the same date as her. 

Check the stone but I am sure it is her.  The computer database was built many years later and errors creep in.  Why the person on the phone did not find it ... well ...

Allan Jordan


Here's the listing from the database
LEAH, BROWN
Section: 1
Block: D
Map: 32
Path:
Lot:
Line: 4
Society: VEREIN CHOROSTKOWER
Grave: 5
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Re: ViewMate translation request - Hebrew #slovakia #translation

Dubin, David M. MD
 

Hi all
In reply to the reply about the tradition of having mothers’ names on tombstones, the tradition seems centered in Bratislava (Pressburg). It is found on nearly all stones in the new orthodox cemetery (which accepted burials starting in about 1850). It reportedly predates the arrival there of the famed Rabbi Moshe Schreiber, the “Chasam Sofer.”
In fact the stones in that cemetery only rarely include fathers’ names. The thought was that the departed were on their way to the next world, the “world of truth (עולם האמת in Hebrew),” and since paternity could not be 100% certain in those days, only the mother’s name was etched on tombstones. 
David Dubin
Teaneck, New Jersey 


Re: ViewMate - Interpretation of English Handwriting #translation

Susan&David
 

The name looks like Czerwinski.  If you look at the New York arrival of the Neckar on Nov 25, 1903 you will find Mandel Czerwinski. He is passenger #23 on the manifest page. On the same page are, what appear to be two relatives of his, Abram and Beile Czerwinski from the same place.  Looks to me to be Slawinsk

David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 10/11/2020 5:56 PM, Teewinot wrote:
Hi Cousins,

I've posted a petition for naturalization handwritten in English for
which I need an interpretation. It gives the name as "Max Chervin
formerly known as Mendel ???" I can't figure out what the surname is
and would appreciate as many interpretations as possible. Without the
original surname, I can't find any records.

Also, I can't figure out what the name of his birth place is in
Russia/Poland. I'd appreciate any and all interpretations of that, too.

I've posted the entire document in order to provide enough sample of the
handwriting to help with interpretation.

The document can be found on ViewMate here:

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM86861

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page. Thanks
so much for your help!

Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
RESEARCHING: FRIEDMAN, MILLER, BERKOWITZ (Grodno,
Poland/Russia/Belarus); GEIST (?,Russia); GLICKMAN, KLUGMAN, STURMAN,
KAPLAN, ROTENBERG (Bilgoraj, Lublin, Poland/Russia); LIEB/LEIBOWITZ,
BLAU (Jassy/Iasi, Romania); GALINSKY, GELLIS (Suwalki, Poland/Russia);
KRASNOPOLSKY, SILBERMAN/SILVERMAN (Krasnopol, Poland/Russia)
KOPCIANSKY (?, Poland/Russia); GOLDSTEIN, SCHRAGER (?, Romania);
CYRULNIK (Suwalki, Poland/Russia and Kalvarija, Lithuania)

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Re: Missing Grave Mt Carmel Cemetery #usa

Sally Bruckheimer
 

"It says she is "buried in Mt Carmel Cemetery in New York. However, she is not listed on the internment list. "

I had a similar situation in Buffalo. My 2nd ggrandfather died and was buried in a (much smaller) cemetery, but I couldn't find any stone or listing in the cemetery records.

A friend of mine 'reorganized' the records of the cemetery, and kept him in mind. The cemetery had maybe10 burials where none should be; and maybe 12 empty plots where somebody should have been.

So he could be one of the 'extra' burials or he could have been buried elsewhere.  Death certificates aren't always right about burials which happen afterwards.

So you and I have to search (easy in Buffalo), but he isn't elsewhere with a stone, anyway. But you have the same problem that I have.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Re: Missing Grave Mt Carmel Cemetery #usa

Diane Jacobs
 

Todd

I was had the same problem with another NY cemetery.   I had seen his stone in the cemetery, but he was not on their computer database.

I called and asked them to do a card search and they did find him that way.

Hope this helps.
Diane Jacobs



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-------- Original message --------
From: "tsteinberg via groups.jewishgen.org" <tsteinberg=yahoo.com@...>
Date: 10/11/20 5:19 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Missing Grave Mt Carmel Cemetery #usa

Hello All:
Need to some help or advice. I have the death certificate for my GGGM Leah Brawer( misspelled on death certificate as Braver). It says she is buried in Mt Carmel Cemetery in New York. However, she is not listed on the internment list. I called the cemetery and after spending 20 minutes on the phone with me and searching by date of death and different spellings, they could not find either in their computer system.  Her husband David Brawer is buried there as well as her daughter and son in law(Max and Bella Pfeffer). Any thoughts on how to proceed? I have attached her death certificate if it helps.

Thanks
Todd Steinberg

Attachments:


--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


ViewMate translations - Russian #translation

Debbie Terman
 

Hello,

I've posted 2 vital records in Russian for which I need translations. They are on ViewMate at the following addresses:


Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.

Debbie Cohn Terman
Newton MA, USA


Re: Update to the Family Tree of the Jewish People #JewishGenUpdates

Max Heffler
 

David,

                Ancestry can be synced with Family Tree Maker and a gedcom exported; MyHeritage with Family Tree Builder.

               

Max Heffler

Houston, TX

 

From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of David Dubin via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 12:15 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Update to the Family Tree of the Jewish People #JewishGenUpdates

 

I have my family tree on different websites, but it isn't in gedcom file format. Is there a way to either convert what is on these websites to gedcom and if so, how so and if not? Is there a way to upload what is on these sites to Family Tree of the Jewish People and if so, how so, and if not why not?

David Dubin

 


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ViewMate - Interpretation of English Handwriting #translation

Teewinot
 

Hi Cousins,

I've posted a petition for naturalization handwritten in English for
which I need an interpretation. It gives the name as "Max Chervin
formerly known as Mendel ???" I can't figure out what the surname is
and would appreciate as many interpretations as possible. Without the
original surname, I can't find any records.

Also, I can't figure out what the name of his birth place is in
Russia/Poland. I'd appreciate any and all interpretations of that, too.

I've posted the entire document in order to provide enough sample of the
handwriting to help with interpretation.

The document can be found on ViewMate here:

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM86861

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page. Thanks
so much for your help!

Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
RESEARCHING: FRIEDMAN, MILLER, BERKOWITZ (Grodno,
Poland/Russia/Belarus); GEIST (?,Russia); GLICKMAN, KLUGMAN, STURMAN,
KAPLAN, ROTENBERG (Bilgoraj, Lublin, Poland/Russia); LIEB/LEIBOWITZ,
BLAU (Jassy/Iasi, Romania); GALINSKY, GELLIS (Suwalki, Poland/Russia);
KRASNOPOLSKY, SILBERMAN/SILVERMAN (Krasnopol, Poland/Russia)
KOPCIANSKY (?, Poland/Russia); GOLDSTEIN, SCHRAGER (?, Romania);
CYRULNIK (Suwalki, Poland/Russia and Kalvarija, Lithuania)

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ViewMate translation request - Polish #poland #translation

Kim Sheintal
 

Hi Everyone,
 
I posted two Polish records on ViewMate that I would like translated (1897 death record from Raciaz for Aron MATYS) (1907 birth record from Raciaz for Szlama Matys):
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM86893 
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM86894
 
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
 
Thank you.
Kimberly Sheintal
Sarasota, Florida
 


Re: ViewMate translation request - Hebrew #slovakia #translation

David Kennedy
 

Hi Laurent,
Thanks for that elaboration. I am unfamiliar with their customs, so it is interesting to find out such details.
Henrik was born in Nagy Begany in Bereg county, now Ukraine. His wife Katarina Goldstein was born locally in Atrak (Horné Otrokovce), about 25 km NW of Nitra. DNA analysis confirms that they were both Ashkenazi.

Regards
Dave


Re: Russian Military Archive #russia #records

snordlinge@...
 

I have the same issue except the Russian Army conscription was in Poland about 1845-50. Do records for this period exist and can we access them? How? The surname was probably FRIEDMAN (Polish: FRIDMAN) or NATAN (Polish version of NATHAN).
Stephanie Nordlinger
Los Angeles CA


Re: The religious (?) family in the photo - Do you recognize them? #belarus #galicia #ukraine

Jules Levin
 

Don't recognize people, but would go with Belarus--for cultural
reasons--to narrow down the possibilities.

Jules Levin


On 10/11/2020 2:15 PM, alan moskowitz via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
I have this wonderful old photo found in my parent's photo album, but
the people's identity remain a mystery.  They could possibly be
related to any of these family surnames: *Galicia* (ZUCKER,
BRODER,WEISEL, BUCHWALD), *Belarus* (MOSKOWITZ, HOROWITZ), *Ukraine*
(BACKRACK, SMOLOWITZ, SAMOLOVICH)

 It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM86905
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thanks for taking a quick look.
Alan Moskowitz
New Jersey


Re: Missing Grave Mt Carmel Cemetery #usa

Hilary Henkin
 

Hi,
I went to findagrave.com, and searched on "bra*er."  There were 30 results.  There is an entry for Leah Feldman Braver, Oct. 1845 to Oct. 29, 1930, at Mt. Carmel:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/76250935/leah-braver

Is this the right person, or are there two Leah Bravers?  It seems to me that the chances of two women born and died the same month/year, same son's name, is worth investigating as more  than mere coincidence.  I'd recommend reseearching the second one, to see if she existed.  The informant might have provided incorrect information, in the flurry of grief.

It is interesting, though, that the entry for Leah Braver at findagrave has no grave location, while the entry for David Braver has exact grave location.  You might email the fellow listed as the Source at findagrave, to see if he has any additional information.  Getting someone to physically go there might be worthwhile.

And as for Braver or Brawer, keep in mind there is a linguistic link between "w" and "v" in our old-world languages.

Hilary Henkin
Los Angeles, Calif.

Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN;  BELIISKI;  HENKIN - GENKIN;  MESCENIKOV;  POZ - POZE
Ekaterinoslav - KATZ; LAPIDUS;  LAVROTIN - LAVRUTIN - AVRUTIN;  PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY - SEMERNITSKY;  STEINHART
Roumania:  DONNENFIELD;  DOLLINGER;  RINCOVER - HARINCOVER;  WISENTHAL - VIESENTAUL
Harbin, China:  FELDMAN;  PENZNER;  SREBERK - SCHRIEBER;
Lublin, Poland:  KATZ;  JARMUSZ