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N. Kotz
 

Attached please find information on the Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington's December 2019 meeting and program.

 

 

 

We would be delighted if you would share this information with your network.

 

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

 

Nancy C. Kotz

Vice President for Communications, Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington

Website: https://jgsgw.org/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jgsgw/

Re: who are or where is Bialostoker #Poland

luft1111@...
 

Have you looked at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsmanshaft and especially Schwartz, Rosaline and Susan Milamed, From Alexandrovsk to Zyrardow: A Guide to YIVO's Landsmanshaftn Archive, New York: YIVO Institute for Jewish Research, 1986?  Many libraries have copies.  Ask your local reference librarian if that library does not have a copy to direct you to the nearest library which that does or purchase a copy and donate it to a library near you.  I agree with the others who have said that this reference is to a Bialystok-centered entity for Jews.

Edward David Luft

Re: cemetery photo's

Barbara Ellman
 

The home page for the Pogrebische Kehilalinks page has an email link to the  the Pogrebishche Jewish Cemetery Project for access to the cemetery photos. 

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Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ
Director Special Projects - Kehilalinks

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Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ USA
HASSMAN, SONENTHAL, DAUERMAN, LUCHS - Drohobycz, Ukraine
HIRSCHHORN, GOLDSTEIN, BUCHWALD - Dolyna, Ukraine
ELLMAN, COIRA, MAIDMAN - Minkovtsy, Ukraine
KAGLE, FASS - Ulanow, Poland

Re: ROSENDAHL - NEW YORK

geniediane
 

The quick and easy thing to do would be to go to

the large Jewish NYC cemeteries and do a search

for his burial.  You can access Mt. Zion, Mt. Hebron,

Montifiore and New Montifiore, Mt. Carmel, Mt. Judah

and Mt. Ararat.

 

For other cemeteries you may be able to email and

ask for a lookup if you don't find him at the larger

cemeteries whose databases are online.

 

Hope this helps.

Diane Jacobs

 


From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of JSwilliams67362 via Groups.Jewishgen.Org
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 2:39 PM
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] ROSENDAHL - NEW YORK

 

I am trying to trace the burial place of my late Uncle in the hope that someone will be kind enough to photograph his matzevah for me.

 

His name was Edward Rosendahl and he passed away in June 1966 in NYC. The notices in the New York Times show he was a member of the Conservative Synagogue of Fifth Avenue and that services were held at Riverside, 76th St/Amsterdam Avenue. 

 

Unfortunately my emails to the shul remain unanswered and Riverside no longer hold records from the 60's. He does not appear in any of the online databases for cemeteries in NY.

 

I appreciate this was quite a while ago but if there is anyone who knew him and knows where he's buried I'd be very grateful if they could contact me.

 

Many thanks,

 

Judith Williams, 

Leeds, Yorkshire, UK


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Diane Jacobs

ROSENDAHL - FOUND!

JSwilliams67362@...
 

Thanks to all who have replied.

Pretty sure my uncle and his wife have been found with their surname misspelled in the New Montefiore database.

Judith

Re: what is a "personal marriage certificate"?

brotker@...
 

My guess would be a ketuba, but that's just an assumption at best.

Good luck,

Bobby Rotker

Searching
ROTKIER, ROTKER, GOLDMAN, GUTMAN from Warsaw
ZEITLIN, TSEITLIN, ZAITLIN, TSAITLIN from Slonim/Deretchin
FELDMAN from Belarus
SAPERSZTEJN, SAPERSTEIN, KERSZENBAUM, KIRSZENBAUM, KIRSCHENBAUM, KERSCHENBAUM, KIRSCH etc from Ciechanow/Radzanow

Sent from my LG Mobile

Re: Jewishgen Offer

LindaF.Morzillo@...
 

Agree! Very cumbersome. Seems that the digests come more than once a day on occasion. Must be a better, more user friendly way.

Re: STORING ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS?

jbonline1111@...
 

In general, I suggest storing all original documents in acid-free packages, perhaps in individual sleeves in an acid-free box.  Of course, the paper of the document may not be acid-free, but this will still help to preserve them.  They should also be kept out of sunlight and strong artificial light.  Beyond this, I suggest the references mentioned by others.

Re: cemetery photo's

Robert Hanna
 

Please use a typeface that is large enough to read.

Robert

Re: STORING ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS?

Madeleine Isenberg
 

Hi Stephen,

One suggestion for standard-size sheets of paper is to insert them into acid-free sheet protectors; for photographs you can find acid-free photo pages that accommodate various sizes of photographs. 

These are all 3-holed punch and you could keep them in binders or in standard size file folders.

Stores that carry office supplies or on-line office supplies are good sources for purchase.

Hope this helps.

Madeleine Isenberg
Beverly Hills, CA

Goldstein family - brick wall

Steve Stein
 

I’m not normally wont to post long items, but in this case, I’m not sure how to state my problem otherwise.

 

I am having trouble documenting the life and death of the men in our Goldstein family, though I have been working at this for quite some time. Specifically, I cannot find post-1900 census or death records for either of my wife’s Bubbe Mamie Goldstein Fine’s  two brothers, Hyman and Jacob Goldstein, and I cannot find her father Max from after the 1900 census except when he died in 1928.

 

According to the 1900 census, the father, Max (Avraham Mordechai ben Chaim Zusman), immigrated in 1884, leaving his wife and 4 children (2 girls and 2 boys), then he must have returned to Poland/Russia (Bialystok), where he had another daughter before immigrating with them all to New York in 1887. He and his wife Rachel had two more daughters in the US in the early 1890s. I can find none of the Goldsteins in any NY immigration records. I am assuming that had they come to another port, they would have stayed in that city, or that their name was not originally Goldstein. This is not a major concern, however, neither that I can’t find birth records for the two daughters born in the US.

 

All these Goldsteins are listed in the same household on the Lower East Side in the 1900 Census, except oldest daughter Bessie. The family is listed as: Max (49), Rachel (49), Hyman (24), Annie (20), Jacob (16), Laura [listed as “Dora”]  (13), Mamie (9), and Sarah (8). Bessie is already married and listed separately. Hyman is listed as a plumber, Jacob a day laborer.

 

I can follow all 5 daughters with their husbands and children over time, with a couple of missing years, through the US and NY State Censuses. Bessie Goldstein Greenberg – 1900, 1905, 1910, 1915, 1920; 1925 not found (widowed after 1905) . Annie Goldstein Israel – 1910, 1915, 1920; 1925 not found. Laura Goldstein Rosenberg – 1910, 1915, 1920, 1925. Mamie Goldstein Fine – 1915, 1920, 1925. Sarah Goldstein Saperstein – 1915, 1920, 1925. In none of these censuses that I found are any of the men living with them.

 

Most of the initial family information was obtained by interviewing my mother-in-law, who died in 2005. She was pretty meticulous on this kind of stuff; she knew all about her aunts, uncles, and first cousins. I don’t recall that she ever told me that either Hyman or Jacob had married or had children.

 

I cannot find Max or Rachel in any US or NY state census after 1900. Rachel died in 1919, while living at 61 Cannon Street on the Lower East Side. Her son Hyman is in the 1917 WWI Draft records, living at 61 Cannon Street and listing his mother Rachel as his closest relative. In 1917 he is still a plumber. I infer from this that Hyman had not married by age 40, and clearly was still alive. I cannot find Jacob Goldstein’s WWI record at all.  I looked at 61 Cannon Street in the 1920 Census, neither Hyman nor Max are still living there. Max died in 1928, his address on his death certificate is the same as daughter Mamie’s 1925 address (the house she lived in for decades after), but he is not living with any of his daughters in either 1920 or 1925.

 

Max and Rachel are buried together in Mount Zion Cemetery in Queens. Neither Jacob nor Hyman are buried in the same society plot as their parents, nor as their sister Annie who is also buried in Mount Zion, in 1945. Obviously, there are lots of Hyman Goldsteins and Jacob Goldsteins in Mount Zion and elsewhere in the NYC area, but the cemetery sites do not give age information in order to winnow the list of candidates. They are not buried with Mamie or Sarah in other cemeteries, and I have not yet located Bessie’s or Laura’s graves, but doubtful the brothers are buried with them.

 

None of the deaths listed in italiangen.org for Hyman Goldstein are the right one, as investigated on familysearch.org, either because Hyman wasn’t born in either Russia or Poland, or the age is too far off, or the parents are incorrect. Italiangen goes up to 1937.

 

I cannot find any Hyman or Jacob Goldsteins in the 1930 or 1940 census that look enough like ours to be sure. I also cannot narrow down the potential naturalization candidates, though Hyman’s WWI record says he is naturalized.

 

So to summarize, no census records for any of the men after 1900; no naturalization, marriage or death records for either son; no draft record for Jacob. The problem with following leads to try to find these records is that the names are SOOOO common that the disambiguation on Max Goldsteins, Hyman Goldsteins and Jacob Goldsteins, such as naturalization and burial records, is more effort than I am willing to invest. Am I missing some easier tool or record set to help track down what happened to Hyman and Jacob?

 

TIA

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ

Re: Can't "identify" name of Galician ancestral town

Renee Steinig
 

A few suggestions:

- In the Gesher Galicia Town Locator (https://www.geshergalicia.org/galician-town-locator/scroll through the localities that begin with W, to see if anything looks right. (I'm not aware of any town in Galicia that was spelled with a V in the "old days," but W was pronounced like V.)

- If the old tree is handwritten, post an image of the town name, to see if anyone reads it differently.

- Let us know the surname associated with the town, and the names and towns, if known, of other relatives who may have been from the same area.

- One place that comes to mind is Wisnitz
which was in the Austrian "crown land" of Bukowina, which bordered Galicia.

- You might also post your inquiry to the Gesher Galicia Discussion Group. (You can subscribe at https://www.jewishgen.org/ListManager/members_add.asp.)

Also, a question:

- What's your basis for thinking that they were from Galicia?  

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Editor, Gesher Galicia Family Finder
genmaven@...


On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 9:12 AM how via Groups.Jewishgen.Org <howxg=yahoo.com@...> wrote:
On an old family tree it states that one family came from the town of "Vchmenitz" . I am unable to identify this town using "Town Finder" , JewishGen Gazetteer ,searches in JRI Poland and Ancestry.com . Does anyone have an idea where might be the Galician town of "Vchmenitz"

Thanks so much
Howard Murl Gold , Los Angeles

ROSENDAHL - NEW YORK

JSwilliams67362@...
 

I am trying to trace the burial place of my late Uncle in the hope that someone will be kind enough to photograph his matzevah for me.

His name was Edward Rosendahl and he passed away in June 1966 in NYC. The notices in the New York Times show he was a member of the Conservative Synagogue of Fifth Avenue and that services were held at Riverside, 76th St/Amsterdam Avenue. 

Unfortunately my emails to the shul remain unanswered and Riverside no longer hold records from the 60's. He does not appear in any of the online databases for cemeteries in NY.

I appreciate this was quite a while ago but if there is anyone who knew him and knows where he's buried I'd be very grateful if they could contact me.

Many thanks,

Judith Williams, 
Leeds, Yorkshire, UK

Jewish Families from Vyshnivchyk, Galicia

gwhaken
 

It is a long time since I have posted a messsage. My husband’s family came from Vyshnivchyk/Wisniowcyk, Podhajce district, Tarnopol Woj. According to Rabbi Israel SHOR, a distant cousin of a cousin, there were about 200 Jews with three shuls in the village.

In 1901 seven men formed the Erste Wisniowczyker Kranken Interstuetzungs Verein and incorporated it in NYC. The men were Isak BELLNER, Sigmund DUNAJER, Nathan BUCHWALDER, Hersch HAMMER, Aaron Leib SCHECHTER, Moses HAKEN, Pinchus KESSLER. The society’s first HACKEN burial was in Mt. Hebron in 1919.

I am always glad to exchange information and answer questions about my research or an old hand-written HACKEN-SUHL Tree. Listed below are some of the early names on the tree.

HACKEN, SUHL KORNWEITZ, LEIBLING, BUCHWALD, KALLMAN, AGDERN, WEIL, OXHORN/OCHSHORN, MARDER, WARM, BRECHAR, HALPERN, SOKOL, BIEGHOLDT, SHER, MENDELL, LINEAL, KERNER, SULKES, DUNAIER, VOGELMAN, BLATT, ZAMPIN.

Georgia Haken JFF# 3847
Danbury, Connecticut, USA
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Researching: ROSENBLATT--Wehrda, Germany, Ohio, Connecticut and Georgia (state) ; HEPPENHEIMER--Eichtersheim, Baden; HACKEN/HAKEN/HACKENA, SUHL, BUCHWALD, KORNWEITZ--Galicia; PROBE/PROBER, GOLD, HERMAN--Galicia; 

Re: STORING ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS?

Flavio Baran
 

Stephen,

Your questions are too broad. There must be dozens, if not hundreds, of articles on the web on the subject of archival preservation. I would read five-ten and select an approach most suitable for you.

Boris Feldblyum
www.bfcollection.net

cemetery photo's

mike yesnes
 

Wednesday
12/4/19

Jewish Discussion group,

In the Jewishgen.org website page per the Pogrebishche city in Ukraine the Pogrebishche Cemetery on Kotsiubvnskho Street, it states there 598 photos.
Are the photos available for viewing?
Is there an index of names?
How do you view the Pogrebishche Jewish Cemetery Project information?Would appreciate your experiences/knowkledge.
Thank you.

Mike


Re: Chevre B'nai Abraham Samuel Anshei Ashisker

Avrohom Krauss
 

YIVO Landsmanshafn collection has records for Chevra anshei bnei Abraham anshei eishisker. You may access at Center for Jewish history in NY.
Avrohom KRAUSS
Telzstone israel

Re: Can't "identify" name of Galician ancestral town

Odeda Zlotnick
 

If you can, scan that part of the family tree and upload it to ViewMate https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ - maybe there's another interpretation of the written text.

A search for communities containing "menitz" showed, among others a "Nemenitz" in LIthuania - which in my opinion could be misread as Vchmenitz

Odeda

what is a "personal marriage certificate"?

Milton Koch
 

I have just reviewed a translation of a birth entry from Dabrowa Rarnowska, which states under father’s column, that there is a “personal marriage certificate”, along with detailed numbers and dates.
What does this term mean and where can these records be found?
Thank you.
Milton Koch
BARBASCH

Can't "identify" name of Galician ancestral town

how
 

On an old family tree it states that one family came from the town of "Vchmenitz" . I am unable to identify this town using "Town Finder" , JewishGen Gazetteer ,searches in JRI Poland and Ancestry.com . Does anyone have an idea where might be the Galician town of "Vchmenitz"

Thanks so much
Howard Murl Gold , Los Angeles