Date   
Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Trip reports, anyone! #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <lmagyar@...>
 

To Debbie and all others,

I imagine that you and many others are waiting for more specifics about the
tours to Subcarpathian Rutyh


Please visit our website at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/

-----Original Message-----
From: korman3@... [mailto:korman3@...]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 1998 7:06 PM
To: Hungarian SIG
Subject: Re: Trip reports, anyone!


Blrosen@... wrote:

Dear all,

I am one of those lucky ones who had the marvelous opportunity
to accompany
Louis Schonfeld and the Family Tree people on the trip to
Hungary/Ukraine. I
knew that Louis and a few of the people had continued on to the
second tour
and therefore I waited until they returned so they too could
see my comments.

It was a perfectly wonderful experience!!!!! Kudos to Louis and all the
Family Tree staff!!!! They made it a really memorable
experience!!!! Louis
was absolutely wonderful in always being available to translate
names and
dates on gravestones. Family Tree's Anita was a delightful
person,always
happy to translate Hungarian to English and vice versa. Joseph
was an expert
in Jewish Genealogy and very helpful along the way. In the
Ukraine, Ava was
the translator and Nick helped in crossing the border.

We started out in Budapest which is a very beautiful city. We
then proceeded
through the Tokaj wine country to the Ukraine.

I was very lucky in finding the gravestones of family members
in Berehi -- a
village near Berehovo. It was very emotional as I looked at
the gravestones
of my great-grandfather and my grandmother's 2 sisters and 1
brother. Then in
the cemetery in Berehovo, I discovered the son of that brother.
WOW!!! I
never expected to find anything and was therefore ecstatic!!

We went to the Archives in Berehovo but were told that
everything they have is
in boxes and no money is available to catalog it.

Thank you, Louis and the Family Tree staff --- you all made it
an experience
of a lifetime.

Betty Rosen

This SIG (h-sig@...) is hosted by
JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy
Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org
---
You are currently subscribed to h-sig as: $subst('PurgeID')
To unsubscribe send email to $subst('Email.Unsub')

I would be very interested in what Beregovo looks like today, what the
condition of the cemetery was, were the tombstones in hebrew, hungarian,
both? What was travel in the Ukraine like? Details - give us some
details!!!

Debbi

This SIG (h-sig@...) is hosted by
JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy
Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org
---
You are currently subscribed to h-sig as: $subst('PurgeID')
To unsubscribe send email to $subst('Email.Unsub')

Re: Trip reports, anyone! #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <lmagyar@...>
 

To Debbie and all others,

I imagine that you and many others are waiting for more specifics about the
tours to Subcarpathian Rutyh


Please visit our website at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/

-----Original Message-----
From: korman3@... [mailto:korman3@...]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 1998 7:06 PM
To: Hungarian SIG
Subject: Re: Trip reports, anyone!


Blrosen@... wrote:

Dear all,

I am one of those lucky ones who had the marvelous opportunity
to accompany
Louis Schonfeld and the Family Tree people on the trip to
Hungary/Ukraine. I
knew that Louis and a few of the people had continued on to the
second tour
and therefore I waited until they returned so they too could
see my comments.

It was a perfectly wonderful experience!!!!! Kudos to Louis and all the
Family Tree staff!!!! They made it a really memorable
experience!!!! Louis
was absolutely wonderful in always being available to translate
names and
dates on gravestones. Family Tree's Anita was a delightful
person,always
happy to translate Hungarian to English and vice versa. Joseph
was an expert
in Jewish Genealogy and very helpful along the way. In the
Ukraine, Ava was
the translator and Nick helped in crossing the border.

We started out in Budapest which is a very beautiful city. We
then proceeded
through the Tokaj wine country to the Ukraine.

I was very lucky in finding the gravestones of family members
in Berehi -- a
village near Berehovo. It was very emotional as I looked at
the gravestones
of my great-grandfather and my grandmother's 2 sisters and 1
brother. Then in
the cemetery in Berehovo, I discovered the son of that brother.
WOW!!! I
never expected to find anything and was therefore ecstatic!!

We went to the Archives in Berehovo but were told that
everything they have is
in boxes and no money is available to catalog it.

Thank you, Louis and the Family Tree staff --- you all made it
an experience
of a lifetime.

Betty Rosen

This SIG (h-sig@...) is hosted by
JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy
Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org
---
You are currently subscribed to h-sig as: $subst('PurgeID')
To unsubscribe send email to $subst('Email.Unsub')

I would be very interested in what Beregovo looks like today, what the
condition of the cemetery was, were the tombstones in hebrew, hungarian,
both? What was travel in the Ukraine like? Details - give us some
details!!!

Debbi

This SIG (h-sig@...) is hosted by
JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy
Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org
---
You are currently subscribed to h-sig as: $subst('PurgeID')
To unsubscribe send email to $subst('Email.Unsub')

Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Plat Maps #lithuania

Harold Rhode <hrhode@...>
 

See Howard Margol's note reminded me remember a conversation we had in Los Angeles.

We should all be very much looking forward to seeing a list of Plat maps which exist of our shtetlach in the 19th century, when it eventually arrvies.

As Howard explained at the LitvakSig meeting, these maps show who lived in what houses, and would enable us to find exactly the house where our ancestors lived. We could then visit their houses (if they still exist - which is very likely in many of our towns). There probably aren't many more moving genealogical experiences we could have.

Plat Maps #lithuania

Harold Rhode <hrhode@...>
 

See Howard Margol's note reminded me remember a conversation we had in Los Angeles.

We should all be very much looking forward to seeing a list of Plat maps which exist of our shtetlach in the 19th century, when it eventually arrvies.

As Howard explained at the LitvakSig meeting, these maps show who lived in what houses, and would enable us to find exactly the house where our ancestors lived. We could then visit their houses (if they still exist - which is very likely in many of our towns). There probably aren't many more moving genealogical experiences we could have.

Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Podzelva-Cleveland connection #lithuania

steven weiss <szome@...>
 

Thought I'd add my contribution to the "clustering discussion". For
some time now I have attempted to track down the Podzelva
(Zelva)-Cleveland connection that my grandmother (who lived in Brockton,
MA) mentioned in her memoir. She mentioned a 'Podzelver Shul' in
Cleveland and sure enough it definitely existed. It seems like a large
percentage of those who left Podzelva settled in Cleveland. Apparently
the 'Podzelver Shul' merged with the Taylor Road Synagogue of Cleveland.
I would like to hear >from anyone familiar with this Podzelver Shul.

Also I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me if anyone has documented
the Jewish history of Brockton, MA.

Steven Weiss
Chicago

Podzelva-Cleveland connection #lithuania

steven weiss <szome@...>
 

Thought I'd add my contribution to the "clustering discussion". For
some time now I have attempted to track down the Podzelva
(Zelva)-Cleveland connection that my grandmother (who lived in Brockton,
MA) mentioned in her memoir. She mentioned a 'Podzelver Shul' in
Cleveland and sure enough it definitely existed. It seems like a large
percentage of those who left Podzelva settled in Cleveland. Apparently
the 'Podzelver Shul' merged with the Taylor Road Synagogue of Cleveland.
I would like to hear >from anyone familiar with this Podzelver Shul.

Also I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me if anyone has documented
the Jewish history of Brockton, MA.

Steven Weiss
Chicago

Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Uezd for Shirvint #lithuania

Joel Alpert <ALPERT@...>
 

Thanks for the offer, but I do not think that this message was intended for
me. Please recheck and if you think it is, send along the reference letter
to which you are responding. I am dealing with the Jurbarkas, Lithuania
(Yurburg) Yizkor book and also the Dokshitz book.

Joel

Dear Joel,

I have found that there are many Uezd research groups that
I must join/fund.Your list of towns includes Shirvint in the
first uchazstok. This is one of the few definite locations
I have for any of my immigrant ancestors,[actually a
colateral line]. Please consider this my pledge of $100.00.
The later you need the actual funds the better, since I
just sent money to the Panevezys group.

Re: Uezd for Shirvint #lithuania

Joel Alpert <ALPERT@...>
 

Thanks for the offer, but I do not think that this message was intended for
me. Please recheck and if you think it is, send along the reference letter
to which you are responding. I am dealing with the Jurbarkas, Lithuania
(Yurburg) Yizkor book and also the Dokshitz book.

Joel

Dear Joel,

I have found that there are many Uezd research groups that
I must join/fund.Your list of towns includes Shirvint in the
first uchazstok. This is one of the few definite locations
I have for any of my immigrant ancestors,[actually a
colateral line]. Please consider this my pledge of $100.00.
The later you need the actual funds the better, since I
just sent money to the Panevezys group.

Belarus SIG #Belarus RE: RUDNICK-RUDNE from BELARUS #belarus

BSwart10@...
 

My Mother's family RUDNICK, came >from the town of KREVA or KREVO in BELARUS
Russia. It is half way between VILNA and MINISK

Doe any one know where I can look for Birth certificates or marriage
certificates >from that area??

The RUDNICK family came to America in 1906, although my Grandfather JOSEPH
RUDNICK came, probably in 1904 or 1905. I have the passenger ship records for
1906, but I do not have it for Joseph Rudnick.

The RUDNICK family is mainly >from the NYC and Bronx area, although one part of
the family migrated to Colchester, Conn. >from NYC in 1917. The Conn. branch
changed their name to RUDNE.

Need Information for the following names:

RUDNICK--KREVA- OR NYC - or THE BRONX
RUDNE -- KREVO OR CONN.
ELISHKOVITZH- GRANDMOTHER'S maiden name.

Any information please Email as well as posting to the SIG.

BEATRICE SWART
BSWART10@...
TAMARAC, FLORIDA

Re: RUDNICK-RUDNE from BELARUS #belarus

BSwart10@...
 

My Mother's family RUDNICK, came >from the town of KREVA or KREVO in BELARUS
Russia. It is half way between VILNA and MINISK

Doe any one know where I can look for Birth certificates or marriage
certificates >from that area??

The RUDNICK family came to America in 1906, although my Grandfather JOSEPH
RUDNICK came, probably in 1904 or 1905. I have the passenger ship records for
1906, but I do not have it for Joseph Rudnick.

The RUDNICK family is mainly >from the NYC and Bronx area, although one part of
the family migrated to Colchester, Conn. >from NYC in 1917. The Conn. branch
changed their name to RUDNE.

Need Information for the following names:

RUDNICK--KREVA- OR NYC - or THE BRONX
RUDNE -- KREVO OR CONN.
ELISHKOVITZH- GRANDMOTHER'S maiden name.

Any information please Email as well as posting to the SIG.

BEATRICE SWART
BSWART10@...
TAMARAC, FLORIDA

Hungary SIG #Hungary * [out of the subject] Budapest Guetto #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear all,

Does anybody knows the date when Jews started to be sent to the Budapest
guetto or when it was inaugurated?

Please send replies in private, as this is not a genealogical question.
Nevertheless, I am quite sure that somebody >from the members will know the
answer. I need it to support a WW2 restitution claim for my mother-in-law.

TIA
Tom

* [out of the subject] Budapest Guetto #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear all,

Does anybody knows the date when Jews started to be sent to the Budapest
guetto or when it was inaugurated?

Please send replies in private, as this is not a genealogical question.
Nevertheless, I am quite sure that somebody >from the members will know the
answer. I need it to support a WW2 restitution claim for my mother-in-law.

TIA
Tom

Belarus SIG #Belarus Searching TOV,TOW or TOFF #belarus

R. Abramson <RebeccaAbramson@...>
 

Hello,
I am trying to find information on my great-greandmother, Sarah TOW, but
I am finding the name almost non-existent. I think the word TOV means "good
"in Hebrew, but I can't find any families with that name. She was from
Minsk and was married to Abram ABRAMSON of Minsk. Does anyone know if
maybe there is an alternative spelling or maybe Yiddish version? I'm really
at a dead end. Any help would be appreciated!

Rebecca Abramson
Alexandria, VA

(Moderator' Note: You need to check for the name in Alexander Beider's
book" Jewish Surnames >from the Russian Empire".

Searching TOV,TOW or TOFF #belarus

R. Abramson <RebeccaAbramson@...>
 

Hello,
I am trying to find information on my great-greandmother, Sarah TOW, but
I am finding the name almost non-existent. I think the word TOV means "good
"in Hebrew, but I can't find any families with that name. She was from
Minsk and was married to Abram ABRAMSON of Minsk. Does anyone know if
maybe there is an alternative spelling or maybe Yiddish version? I'm really
at a dead end. Any help would be appreciated!

Rebecca Abramson
Alexandria, VA

(Moderator' Note: You need to check for the name in Alexander Beider's
book" Jewish Surnames >from the Russian Empire".

Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Private Mail #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

Dorothy,

Don't panic. I've done the same thing myself. If you want to send a
private message back to the sender instead of to the whole group (now 173
people), after you hit the reply to button, you need to manually go back
to the address in the e-mail form and delete the list address
(belarus@...) and replace it with the address of the
person you want to send the message to.

However, after you have received answers to your questions via private
e-mail, you may want to summarize what you found out and post it to the
group if you think other people would benfit either >from the information
or the methods that you used to obtain the information.

Please continue to ask questions and answer questions that others may
ask. Thank you for your participation in the SIG and I hope that you
encourage others to join as well.

Dave

I guess I just pressed reply and it sent it to everyone - ooops. How do I
avoid that happening again.

David M. Fox
fox@...
Arnold, MD
Belarus SIG Coordinator

JOIN THE BELARUS SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/belarus2.txt

Researching: Minsk: TSIVIN (SIVIN), RABINOWITZ, HURWITZ, FEIN
Mogilev & NYC: SCHENDEROFF (OV), TSIVIN, SHER, FYTELSON
Rogachev(BYL) & NYC: FYTELSON (FEITELSON), TELSON, COHEN
Popielniki, Dzurow, Banila (UKR): FUCHS, HUDES, MECHLAWICZ,

TISCHLER, LOBEL, LABALVITCH

Re: Private Mail #belarus

David M. Fox <fox@...>
 

Dorothy,

Don't panic. I've done the same thing myself. If you want to send a
private message back to the sender instead of to the whole group (now 173
people), after you hit the reply to button, you need to manually go back
to the address in the e-mail form and delete the list address
(belarus@...) and replace it with the address of the
person you want to send the message to.

However, after you have received answers to your questions via private
e-mail, you may want to summarize what you found out and post it to the
group if you think other people would benfit either >from the information
or the methods that you used to obtain the information.

Please continue to ask questions and answer questions that others may
ask. Thank you for your participation in the SIG and I hope that you
encourage others to join as well.

Dave

I guess I just pressed reply and it sent it to everyone - ooops. How do I
avoid that happening again.

David M. Fox
fox@...
Arnold, MD
Belarus SIG Coordinator

JOIN THE BELARUS SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/belarus2.txt

Researching: Minsk: TSIVIN (SIVIN), RABINOWITZ, HURWITZ, FEIN
Mogilev & NYC: SCHENDEROFF (OV), TSIVIN, SHER, FYTELSON
Rogachev(BYL) & NYC: FYTELSON (FEITELSON), TELSON, COHEN
Popielniki, Dzurow, Banila (UKR): FUCHS, HUDES, MECHLAWICZ,

TISCHLER, LOBEL, LABALVITCH

Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: LITWIN, Rogachev #belarus

carol lipson <cslipson@...>
 

I just joined the Belarus sig listserv, and found this message. Wow! I am
a Litwin >from Winnipeg. My grandmother and grandfather, Mendel and Leah,
were in fact both Litwins -- they were cousins. They gave >from the Gomel
area. My grandmother had two cousins in Winnipeg -- two female LITVIN
sisters. My grandfather came to Winnipeg around 1914; maybe he went there
because he already had these cousins -- your Litwins -- there. He brought
my grandfather and their four kids over in 1923/24. Only one of those kids
is now alive, and she's 86. I'll ask her if she remembers Odel Hasinoff.

from 1923 - 1926, another Litvin cousin lived in Winnipeg. That was Deena
Litvin, whose married name was WOLFSON. Deena's granddaughter is Diane
Newman, active in the JGen listserve. Deena and her family moved to
Philadelphia to join an uncle, Samuel LITWIN. My aunt told me her two
Litvin aunts left Winnipeg also. She thought one went to Montreal, and she
doesn't remember where the other one went. Where did Odel's family end up
after Winnipeg?

My grandfather Mendel's clan stayed in Winnipeg, until my generation.
Mendel and Leah had four children: Rachel (she died of heart problems from
rheumatic fever in her 20s), Bill (my dad), Anne (she's the only one still
alive), and Jack. Of these, I'm an only child, now living in the States;
Anne has one daughter, Miriam, still in Winnipeg; and Jack's son Ed lives
in Calgary. I have two children, now in Madison, Wisconsin for grad
school.

I'd really love to see whatever information you have about the Litwin clan.
I'll be glad to share with you whatever I have.

Carol Litwin Lipson
Writing Program
Syracuse University
Syracuse, NY 13244-1160
(315) 443=1067

Dorothy Hasinoff Wrote:
My grandmother, Odel, came >from Rogachev, Mogilev and emigrated to Winnipeg
in 1912. Her married name was Chasanova (hence Hasinoff, my family name)
and her maiden name was LITWIN. She was the daughter of Chaim David or
David Chaim (not sure which). She met and married my grandfather, Samuel
and apparently moved to Chichersk where both my father and uncle were born.
My grandfather died in 1912 (of pneumonia). The family was in the fur
business. Other than that we do not have very much information about
her past. What do you know about Rogachev? How large a town was it? What
did people do there?
Moderator's Note: Looks like someone has made a connections!

Re: LITWIN, Rogachev #belarus

carol lipson <cslipson@...>
 

I just joined the Belarus sig listserv, and found this message. Wow! I am
a Litwin >from Winnipeg. My grandmother and grandfather, Mendel and Leah,
were in fact both Litwins -- they were cousins. They gave >from the Gomel
area. My grandmother had two cousins in Winnipeg -- two female LITVIN
sisters. My grandfather came to Winnipeg around 1914; maybe he went there
because he already had these cousins -- your Litwins -- there. He brought
my grandfather and their four kids over in 1923/24. Only one of those kids
is now alive, and she's 86. I'll ask her if she remembers Odel Hasinoff.

from 1923 - 1926, another Litvin cousin lived in Winnipeg. That was Deena
Litvin, whose married name was WOLFSON. Deena's granddaughter is Diane
Newman, active in the JGen listserve. Deena and her family moved to
Philadelphia to join an uncle, Samuel LITWIN. My aunt told me her two
Litvin aunts left Winnipeg also. She thought one went to Montreal, and she
doesn't remember where the other one went. Where did Odel's family end up
after Winnipeg?

My grandfather Mendel's clan stayed in Winnipeg, until my generation.
Mendel and Leah had four children: Rachel (she died of heart problems from
rheumatic fever in her 20s), Bill (my dad), Anne (she's the only one still
alive), and Jack. Of these, I'm an only child, now living in the States;
Anne has one daughter, Miriam, still in Winnipeg; and Jack's son Ed lives
in Calgary. I have two children, now in Madison, Wisconsin for grad
school.

I'd really love to see whatever information you have about the Litwin clan.
I'll be glad to share with you whatever I have.

Carol Litwin Lipson
Writing Program
Syracuse University
Syracuse, NY 13244-1160
(315) 443=1067

Dorothy Hasinoff Wrote:
My grandmother, Odel, came >from Rogachev, Mogilev and emigrated to Winnipeg
in 1912. Her married name was Chasanova (hence Hasinoff, my family name)
and her maiden name was LITWIN. She was the daughter of Chaim David or
David Chaim (not sure which). She met and married my grandfather, Samuel
and apparently moved to Chichersk where both my father and uncle were born.
My grandfather died in 1912 (of pneumonia). The family was in the fur
business. Other than that we do not have very much information about
her past. What do you know about Rogachev? How large a town was it? What
did people do there?
Moderator's Note: Looks like someone has made a connections!

Hungary SIG #Hungary Berehovo Trip Report, Please #hungary

Deutsch, Mark R. <Mark.Deutsch@...>
 

To those of you who went on the trip:

Please provide any info you can about Berehovo. (Also about Baia Mare
in Romania, if anyone traveled that far.)

Thanks, in advance.

Mark Deutsch
(My mother is >from Berehovo - Spitz)
(My Dad is >from Baia Mare - Deutsch)

Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: LITWIN, Rogachev #belarus

carol lipson <cslipson@...>
 

I am a LITWIN >from Winnipeg; I have always been told that we are related
to Litwins in Montreal, brought over by relatives. I would love to know
more about your friend's background.

Carol S. Lipson
Writing Program
Syracuse University
Syracuse, NY 13244-1160
(315) 443=1067

Errol Feldman Wrote:
There was a Sy Litwin living in Montreal, member of Shaare HaShomayim
Synagogue. Very good friends of my family for years....can I help in any
way when I visit Montreal in September?
Moderator's Note: Once you make a connection, please start using private
e-mail instead of sending the message to the whole group, unless the
content will benefit other readers. All members of the group should review
some discussion group guidline found at <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/rulzfaq2.txt>.