I have a relative who died in Los Angeles in the early 1920s. Does anyone know
if there were many Jewish cemeteries in LA at that time?

Seth Blau
SJBlau@...

I have a relative who died in Los Angeles in the early 1920s. Does anyone know
if there were many Jewish cemeteries in LA at that time?

Seth Blau
SJBlau@...

The exact database web site is www.wallofhonor.com, and www.ellisisland.org links directly to it.

I found four names of people to whom I was fairly sure I was related on the Wall of Honor.

The database can be searched, but only with exact spelling, and the location information
is only by country, which is also not standardized (but is still helpful).

I asked the Ellis Island Foundation to notify those who posted the names I was searching that I would like to
hear >from them. Of those requests, one poster declined to respond, one had moved, and two got in
touch with me. Those two posters were indeed relatives. We have reclaimed some
history and found new mysteries to research. We have become acquainted. And all it took was an
e-mail to the Ellis Island Foundation asking them to send along my name and address.

I would say that the database is worth using. It can be a long shot, but the payoff is
big.--
Jennifer Dropkin

The exact database web site is www.wallofhonor.com, and www.ellisisland.org links directly to it.

I found four names of people to whom I was fairly sure I was related on the Wall of Honor.

The database can be searched, but only with exact spelling, and the location information
is only by country, which is also not standardized (but is still helpful).

I asked the Ellis Island Foundation to notify those who posted the names I was searching that I would like to
hear >from them. Of those requests, one poster declined to respond, one had moved, and two got in
touch with me. Those two posters were indeed relatives. We have reclaimed some
history and found new mysteries to research. We have become acquainted. And all it took was an
e-mail to the Ellis Island Foundation asking them to send along my name and address.

I would say that the database is worth using. It can be a long shot, but the payoff is
big.--
Jennifer Dropkin

Hungarian SIG Members:

This is to advise you that the JewishGen servers will be serviced on Wednesday or Thursday Sept 2nd or 3rd

Downtime could be anywhere >from a couple of hours to as much as 24 hours...
depending upon the availability of "volunteers" to assist with this
process and depending on whether it is a "plug and play" situation, or if
we have some unanticipated technical problems. This will affect all
JewishGen services!!! So please bear with us! We'll be back online as
soon as we can.

Hungarian SIG Members:

This is to advise you that the JewishGen servers will be serviced on Wednesday or Thursday Sept 2nd or 3rd

Downtime could be anywhere >from a couple of hours to as much as 24 hours...
depending upon the availability of "volunteers" to assist with this
process and depending on whether it is a "plug and play" situation, or if
we have some unanticipated technical problems. This will affect all
JewishGen services!!! So please bear with us! We'll be back online as
soon as we can.

Fekete Erdo

The reason you have found nothing is this is The Black Forest (aka
Schwartzwald) which has never been in Hungary, but is in Bavaria (i.e.
Germany).

Fekete Erdo

The reason you have found nothing is this is The Black Forest (aka
Schwartzwald) which has never been in Hungary, but is in Bavaria (i.e.
Germany).

--- On Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:29:20 +0200 Stefano Groszy
<steven@...>
wrote:

Subject: Comments on the content of TE VAGY A TANU!
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:22:33 +0200
From: Stefano Groszy <steven@...>
To: maja@...

Dear David and Myriam,

As I'm not expert about the details of how and why the Germans
invaded Hungary in the beginning of 1944, it would be nice if you

could explain the rule that admiral Horthy had protecting or not the
Jews.

In Italy the Mussolini's defeat by fascist government caused the

german invasion, with the consequences for italian Jews you can imagine.

On the contrary, I know that in Bulgaria the local fascists resisted

the german plans against the Jews and probably it was the only country
under german domination to save most its jewish community

My best regards, Steven Grosz - Milano, Italy.

-----------------End of Original Message-----------------
Dear Steven,
Regarding your question on the role of Horthy in connection with
the Hungarian jews: Hungary in the years of 1920-1940, i.e between
the two world wars had a very strong and prosperous middle class.
(By the way, these were the richest years in the history of culture
of this country: Some of the greatest physicist, like Neumann,Wiegner,
Teller and Szilard were born and educated there, the greatest
poets like Ady, Attila Jozsef,painters like Csontvary and huge
musicians like Bartok, Kodaly, Szigeti,Szekely Mihaly and many-many
others lived and created in this period). This society was based on
two elements: the gentries, most of whome once belonged to the
nobility and were or wished to be land-owners and the other group:
the bourgeoisie.To the latter belonged the large factory owners,
the merchants and the intellectuals, like journalists, artists
and educated professionals.

The hungarian society at all was based on these two pillars. The
majority of the bourgeoisie was Jew. Just as an example, more,
than 25% of the capital Budapest was Jewish - more,than 250.000
only in the city.

Horthy himself was rather deeply involved in and connected to
both groups.One of his sons, for example, had a Jewish wife.
Under the antisemitic pressure, the government accepted anti-
Jewish laws already in the 20-th years, which became harder after
the second world war broke out.The grown up Jewish male population
was taken to forced labour camps already in 1940. There they were
treated harshly,but the authorities refused to transfer them to
Germany or to other death camps in Easter Europe. Hence the great
majority of the Jews were still free and alive till March 1944
when the Germans occupied Hungary - in spite of beeing allies.
I tend to beleive, that the Hungarian government and Horthy did not
want to take part in the genocide of the Jews, though many
Hungarians did and gave hand to the murder of some 400.000 of us.

Sorry, I tried to be shorter,but I could not.In fact, you can find
a more autentic, detailed and comprehensive description on the
subject,for instance in the book of Raphael Patai; "The Jews in
Hungary". Still,you can perhaps also feel the emotions of a survivor.

The best regards:
David
-------------------------------------
E-mail: maja@...
Date: 8/30/98
Time: 20:10:16

Miryam and David Gordon
Rehovot, Israel

--- On Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:29:20 +0200 Stefano Groszy
<steven@...>
wrote:

Subject: Comments on the content of TE VAGY A TANU!
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:22:33 +0200
From: Stefano Groszy <steven@...>
To: maja@...

Dear David and Myriam,

As I'm not expert about the details of how and why the Germans
invaded Hungary in the beginning of 1944, it would be nice if you

could explain the rule that admiral Horthy had protecting or not the
Jews.

In Italy the Mussolini's defeat by fascist government caused the

german invasion, with the consequences for italian Jews you can imagine.

On the contrary, I know that in Bulgaria the local fascists resisted

the german plans against the Jews and probably it was the only country
under german domination to save most its jewish community

My best regards, Steven Grosz - Milano, Italy.

-----------------End of Original Message-----------------
Dear Steven,
Regarding your question on the role of Horthy in connection with
the Hungarian jews: Hungary in the years of 1920-1940, i.e between
the two world wars had a very strong and prosperous middle class.
(By the way, these were the richest years in the history of culture
of this country: Some of the greatest physicist, like Neumann,Wiegner,
Teller and Szilard were born and educated there, the greatest
poets like Ady, Attila Jozsef,painters like Csontvary and huge
musicians like Bartok, Kodaly, Szigeti,Szekely Mihaly and many-many
others lived and created in this period). This society was based on
two elements: the gentries, most of whome once belonged to the
nobility and were or wished to be land-owners and the other group:
the bourgeoisie.To the latter belonged the large factory owners,
the merchants and the intellectuals, like journalists, artists
and educated professionals.

The hungarian society at all was based on these two pillars. The
majority of the bourgeoisie was Jew. Just as an example, more,
than 25% of the capital Budapest was Jewish - more,than 250.000
only in the city.

Horthy himself was rather deeply involved in and connected to
both groups.One of his sons, for example, had a Jewish wife.
Under the antisemitic pressure, the government accepted anti-
Jewish laws already in the 20-th years, which became harder after
the second world war broke out.The grown up Jewish male population
was taken to forced labour camps already in 1940. There they were
treated harshly,but the authorities refused to transfer them to
Germany or to other death camps in Easter Europe. Hence the great
majority of the Jews were still free and alive till March 1944
when the Germans occupied Hungary - in spite of beeing allies.
I tend to beleive, that the Hungarian government and Horthy did not
want to take part in the genocide of the Jews, though many
Hungarians did and gave hand to the murder of some 400.000 of us.

Sorry, I tried to be shorter,but I could not.In fact, you can find
a more autentic, detailed and comprehensive description on the
subject,for instance in the book of Raphael Patai; "The Jews in
Hungary". Still,you can perhaps also feel the emotions of a survivor.

The best regards:
David
-------------------------------------
E-mail: maja@...
Date: 8/30/98
Time: 20:10:16

Miryam and David Gordon
Rehovot, Israel

Searching for Descendants of Jennie and Rabbi David STERN >from Syracuse,N.Y.

Marilynn Handelman
ArnmarH@...

Searching for Descendants of Jennie and Rabbi David STERN >from Syracuse,N.Y.

Marilynn Handelman
ArnmarH@...

I have one page of the 1920 Census >from Jamaica, Queens, New York
listing parts of Sutphin Road and Elm Street. If you see any names for
which you would like more information, please email me privately.

416 Sutphin Rd. Jamaica, NY - SD 4, ED 290, Sheet 6B
ROSCHATTI (Thomas, Levonia, S)

428 Sutphin Rd., Jamaica,NY - SD 4, ED 290, Sheet 6B
DUDIE (Alexander, Pauline, Mary, Frayde, Helen)

429 Sutphin Rd., Jamaica, NY - SD 4, ED 290, Sheet 6B
SOURINSHI (Frank, Eva)
LOBOWSKI (Wlodistan, Wicenta, Wolada, Edward)
KLEPOEKI (Constant, Mary, Julius, Walter, Sanotz)

22 Elm St., Jamaica, NY - SD 4, ED 290, Sheet 6B
POLAND (Samuel, Sarah, Shphie, Erman) (This is my family.)
SOURCAH (Stanley, Mary, Helen, Cashiuim)
BABITCH (Jules, Ama, Stella, Helen, Mary, Jessie, Karza)
UISA (William, Nellie, Emily, Joseph, Helen, Benjamin)

10 Elm St., Jamaica, NY - SD 4, ED 290, Sheet 6B
BOENING (Edward, Hinnie)
FELDMAN (Abraham)

8 or 6? Elm St., Jamaica, NY - SD 4, ED 290, Sheet 6B
FRANK (James, Nuncia)


Renee POLAND GOTTESMAN ~
Eugene, Oregon

POLAN..Odessa,Ukr>Holland>US 1908 TULCHINSKY..Boguslav,Ukr>US1910
GINSBURG..Daugavpils/Dvinsk,Lat>US1913
TCHARLE/ZALL..Dneiperpetrovsk,Ukr?>Vitebsk,Bel?>Riga,Lat>US1913
GOTTESMAN..Lviv,Ukr?>Volochisk,Ukr>US1921
SHAPIRO..Mizyakov?,Ukr>Khmelnik,Ukr>US1913 (Baal Shem Tov related?)
COHEN..Volochisk,Ukr>US1921 STEINBERG..Khmelnik,Ukr> US1913

I have one page of the 1920 Census >from Jamaica, Queens, New York
listing parts of Sutphin Road and Elm Street. If you see any names for
which you would like more information, please email me privately.

416 Sutphin Rd. Jamaica, NY - SD 4, ED 290, Sheet 6B
ROSCHATTI (Thomas, Levonia, S)

428 Sutphin Rd., Jamaica,NY - SD 4, ED 290, Sheet 6B
DUDIE (Alexander, Pauline, Mary, Frayde, Helen)

429 Sutphin Rd., Jamaica, NY - SD 4, ED 290, Sheet 6B
SOURINSHI (Frank, Eva)
LOBOWSKI (Wlodistan, Wicenta, Wolada, Edward)
KLEPOEKI (Constant, Mary, Julius, Walter, Sanotz)

22 Elm St., Jamaica, NY - SD 4, ED 290, Sheet 6B
POLAND (Samuel, Sarah, Shphie, Erman) (This is my family.)
SOURCAH (Stanley, Mary, Helen, Cashiuim)
BABITCH (Jules, Ama, Stella, Helen, Mary, Jessie, Karza)
UISA (William, Nellie, Emily, Joseph, Helen, Benjamin)

10 Elm St., Jamaica, NY - SD 4, ED 290, Sheet 6B
BOENING (Edward, Hinnie)
FELDMAN (Abraham)

8 or 6? Elm St., Jamaica, NY - SD 4, ED 290, Sheet 6B
FRANK (James, Nuncia)


Renee POLAND GOTTESMAN ~
Eugene, Oregon

POLAN..Odessa,Ukr>Holland>US 1908 TULCHINSKY..Boguslav,Ukr>US1910
GINSBURG..Daugavpils/Dvinsk,Lat>US1913
TCHARLE/ZALL..Dneiperpetrovsk,Ukr?>Vitebsk,Bel?>Riga,Lat>US1913
GOTTESMAN..Lviv,Ukr?>Volochisk,Ukr>US1921
SHAPIRO..Mizyakov?,Ukr>Khmelnik,Ukr>US1913 (Baal Shem Tov related?)
COHEN..Volochisk,Ukr>US1921 STEINBERG..Khmelnik,Ukr> US1913

I have two pages of the 1920 Census >from Brooklyn, New York Kings
County for:
* 607 and 601 Howard Ave. - SD 3, ED 1510, Sheet 52B
* ??? and 235 Rochester Ave. - SD 3, ED 1096, Sheet 3B
If you see any names for which you would like more information, please
email me privately.

607 Howard Ave, Brooklyn, NY - SD 3, ED 1510, Sheet 52B
BRENNER (Samuel, Ida, R. Morton)
HART (Isador, Elizabeth, Ruth)
LEVINE (William, Rose, Se lda)
FISHMAN (Samuel, Goldie, Rose, Ruth)
SEHOPKOFCKY (Harris, Sarah, Lazarus, Abe, Max)
MARGOLIS (William, Gussie)
ROSENBLUM (Philip, Sonia, Goodman, Isaac)
DENPSKY ????
(Nettie)
RABINOWITZ??? (Bessie)
RICHTER (Benjamin, Anna, Ethel)
GINSBERG (Harry, Fannie) (My grandparents.)
WOLF (Pauline, Joseph, Ray)
BLANSKOF (Philip, Annie)
YUAITUN??? (Joseph, Lillie)
RUETER (Joseph, Bella, Harriat)

601 Howard Ave., Brooklyn, NY - SD 3, ED 1510, Sheet 52B
PORITZ (Joseph, Sadie, Lillian, Martha, Abraham, Sidney, Irving)
HERTZBERG (David)

***************************************************
??? Rochester Avenue, Brooklyn, NY - SD 3, ED 1096, Sheet 3B
LEBOWITZ (Anna)
WECHSLER (Jacob, Ida, Sadie, David, Julius, Ruth, Bernhardt)
WOLFSON (Ike, Marie, Katie, Ida, Fanie)
GINSBURG (Louis, Sarah, Tillie) (My family.)
SCHWARTZ (Bennie, Annie, Edith)
FELDMAN (Abraham, Dinah)
POREL (Henry, Bertha, David, Lev)
GOLDBERG (Philip, Anna, Max, Louis)
LIPSCHITZ (Samuel, Goldie, Frieda, Henry, Edward)

235 Rochester Avenue, Brooklyn - SD 3, ED 1096, Sheet 3B
MORRIS (Joseph, Rose, Ruth)
STEINBERG (Leo, Minnie, Norman, Hariutta)
YUDELMAN (Morris, Beattie, Herbert, Jack)
MARGOLIN (Harry, Ruth, Ralph)
KAHN (Morris, Lena)

~ Renee POLAND GOTTESMAN ~
Eugene, Oregon ~~~ reneeg@...

POLAN..Odessa,Ukr>Holland>US 1908 TULCHINSKY..Boguslav,Ukr>US1910
GINSBURG..Daugavpils/Dvinsk,Lat>US1913
TCHARLE/ZALL..Dneiperpetrovsk,Ukr?>Vitebsk,Bel?>Riga,Lat>US1913
GOTTESMAN..Lviv,Ukr?>Volochisk,Ukr>US1921
SHAPIRO..Mizyakov?,Ukr>Khmelnik,Ukr>US1913 (Baal Shem Tov related?)
COHEN..Volochisk,Ukr>US1921 STEINBERG..Khmelnik,Ukr> US1913

I have two pages of the 1920 Census >from Brooklyn, New York Kings
County for:
* 607 and 601 Howard Ave. - SD 3, ED 1510, Sheet 52B
* ??? and 235 Rochester Ave. - SD 3, ED 1096, Sheet 3B
If you see any names for which you would like more information, please
email me privately.

607 Howard Ave, Brooklyn, NY - SD 3, ED 1510, Sheet 52B
BRENNER (Samuel, Ida, R. Morton)
HART (Isador, Elizabeth, Ruth)
LEVINE (William, Rose, Se lda)
FISHMAN (Samuel, Goldie, Rose, Ruth)
SEHOPKOFCKY (Harris, Sarah, Lazarus, Abe, Max)
MARGOLIS (William, Gussie)
ROSENBLUM (Philip, Sonia, Goodman, Isaac)
DENPSKY ????
(Nettie)
RABINOWITZ??? (Bessie)
RICHTER (Benjamin, Anna, Ethel)
GINSBERG (Harry, Fannie) (My grandparents.)
WOLF (Pauline, Joseph, Ray)
BLANSKOF (Philip, Annie)
YUAITUN??? (Joseph, Lillie)
RUETER (Joseph, Bella, Harriat)

601 Howard Ave., Brooklyn, NY - SD 3, ED 1510, Sheet 52B
PORITZ (Joseph, Sadie, Lillian, Martha, Abraham, Sidney, Irving)
HERTZBERG (David)

***************************************************
??? Rochester Avenue, Brooklyn, NY - SD 3, ED 1096, Sheet 3B
LEBOWITZ (Anna)
WECHSLER (Jacob, Ida, Sadie, David, Julius, Ruth, Bernhardt)
WOLFSON (Ike, Marie, Katie, Ida, Fanie)
GINSBURG (Louis, Sarah, Tillie) (My family.)
SCHWARTZ (Bennie, Annie, Edith)
FELDMAN (Abraham, Dinah)
POREL (Henry, Bertha, David, Lev)
GOLDBERG (Philip, Anna, Max, Louis)
LIPSCHITZ (Samuel, Goldie, Frieda, Henry, Edward)

235 Rochester Avenue, Brooklyn - SD 3, ED 1096, Sheet 3B
MORRIS (Joseph, Rose, Ruth)
STEINBERG (Leo, Minnie, Norman, Hariutta)
YUDELMAN (Morris, Beattie, Herbert, Jack)
MARGOLIN (Harry, Ruth, Ralph)
KAHN (Morris, Lena)

~ Renee POLAND GOTTESMAN ~
Eugene, Oregon ~~~ reneeg@...

POLAN..Odessa,Ukr>Holland>US 1908 TULCHINSKY..Boguslav,Ukr>US1910
GINSBURG..Daugavpils/Dvinsk,Lat>US1913
TCHARLE/ZALL..Dneiperpetrovsk,Ukr?>Vitebsk,Bel?>Riga,Lat>US1913
GOTTESMAN..Lviv,Ukr?>Volochisk,Ukr>US1921
SHAPIRO..Mizyakov?,Ukr>Khmelnik,Ukr>US1913 (Baal Shem Tov related?)
COHEN..Volochisk,Ukr>US1921 STEINBERG..Khmelnik,Ukr> US1913

Desperately searching for ANY information on a Rabbi Milton AUGENSTEIN
who had a pulpit in Brooklyn many years ago. Estimate that, if alive,
he would be in his 80's by now.

Thanks!

Nelson Pollack
Columbia, Md

Desperately searching for ANY information on a Rabbi Milton AUGENSTEIN
who had a pulpit in Brooklyn many years ago. Estimate that, if alive,
he would be in his 80's by now.

Thanks!

Nelson Pollack
Columbia, Md

My husband's father left Europe >from Yaslo. We are told some of his
brothers came >from Dukla. There are others with the same last name from
other towns in what was Galicia. Is it possible that another spelling
or name could sound like JORTNER? I have found the name G=E4RTNER on
birth lists >from Tarnow. Is it possible that this is >from the same
family? Is there anyone out there who has seen this name? And how was
it spelled?
I will appreciate any help I can get. Thank you.

Pat Jortner

My husband's father left Europe >from Yaslo. We are told some of his
brothers came >from Dukla. There are others with the same last name from
other towns in what was Galicia. Is it possible that another spelling
or name could sound like JORTNER? I have found the name G=E4RTNER on
birth lists >from Tarnow. Is it possible that this is >from the same
family? Is there anyone out there who has seen this name? And how was
it spelled?
I will appreciate any help I can get. Thank you.

Pat Jortner