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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BOWDINE, CLAMPETT #general

Matt Friedman <mfriedmn@...>
 

Recently Jim Yarin eluded to a CLAMPETT connection to the BOWDINE family of
Tennessee. I have done some research on the CLAMPETT family. They are from
the Moscow area. Originally the family name was KLAMPETOV. Men in the
family typically made their livings as mohels. It was a trade taught from
father to son. During the persecutions of the early 1800's most of the
family left Moscow with one branch entering the US through the port of
Charleston. The specific intinerary is unknown and the details were
retrieved >from family legends that were recorded in song.
The family name was changed to CLAMPETT shortly after arrival in the
US. The family settled in rural areas and subsisted on hunting, fishing and
physical labor. The skills acquired in Russia were not of much help. Due
to their arrival long before the major waves of Russian immigration they had
little in common with their German coreligionists. Some how they maintained
a Jewish identity. In the late 1950s or early 1960s Jedidiah CLAMPETT
became involved in the oil business. He was succesful and relocated to
Southern California with his nephew Jethro BOWDINE (Yitro ben Aharon) and
daughter Ellie Mae (Elisheva Malka bat Yedidayah). Jedidiah's mother also
accompanied him on the move.
I have more info for those who are interested.

Have a happy (early) Purim,

Matt Friedman


BOWDINE, CLAMPETT #general

Matt Friedman <mfriedmn@...>
 

Recently Jim Yarin eluded to a CLAMPETT connection to the BOWDINE family of
Tennessee. I have done some research on the CLAMPETT family. They are from
the Moscow area. Originally the family name was KLAMPETOV. Men in the
family typically made their livings as mohels. It was a trade taught from
father to son. During the persecutions of the early 1800's most of the
family left Moscow with one branch entering the US through the port of
Charleston. The specific intinerary is unknown and the details were
retrieved >from family legends that were recorded in song.
The family name was changed to CLAMPETT shortly after arrival in the
US. The family settled in rural areas and subsisted on hunting, fishing and
physical labor. The skills acquired in Russia were not of much help. Due
to their arrival long before the major waves of Russian immigration they had
little in common with their German coreligionists. Some how they maintained
a Jewish identity. In the late 1950s or early 1960s Jedidiah CLAMPETT
became involved in the oil business. He was succesful and relocated to
Southern California with his nephew Jethro BOWDINE (Yitro ben Aharon) and
daughter Ellie Mae (Elisheva Malka bat Yedidayah). Jedidiah's mother also
accompanied him on the move.
I have more info for those who are interested.

Have a happy (early) Purim,

Matt Friedman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HOFFENBERG from Poland #general

Simon Hoffenberg <simonh@...>
 

I am looking for:

Hoffenberg, Halina, Warszawa
Hoffenberg, Hans, Lodz
Hoffenberg, Mieczyslaw Warszawa
Hoffenberg, Paulina Warszawa

and members of their families.

This is 1945 list. I do not know what happened to these people later.

Simon Hoffenberg
Houston, TX


HOFFENBERG from Poland #general

Simon Hoffenberg <simonh@...>
 

I am looking for:

Hoffenberg, Halina, Warszawa
Hoffenberg, Hans, Lodz
Hoffenberg, Mieczyslaw Warszawa
Hoffenberg, Paulina Warszawa

and members of their families.

This is 1945 list. I do not know what happened to these people later.

Simon Hoffenberg
Houston, TX


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen e-mail address thanks #general

Arline and Sidney Sachs <sachs@...>
 

Thank you to the very many replies and help I recieved, and the person who
personally called the correct person for me in Paris. Arline Sachs


e-mail address thanks #general

Arline and Sidney Sachs <sachs@...>
 

Thank you to the very many replies and help I recieved, and the person who
personally called the correct person for me in Paris. Arline Sachs


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: finding obit lookup sources #general

Beth Wellington <wellingtonbj@...>
 

If you are looking for recent obits, large city newspapers are also
often available online with searchable archives. In many cases the
search is free, although there may be a fee for sending you the actual
obit. Of course, once you know where to find the article you can
pursue the hard copy.

You can use any search engine to see what's out there. For instance
YAHOO lets you search online newspapers by state at:

http://dir.yahoo.com/News_and_Media/Newspapers/Browse_By_Region/U_S__States/

(For searches outside of the U.S. just delete that last part after
"Region")

Beth





Large city newspapers are often available on microfilm and
through the InterLoan Library system.

Carol Skydell
Chilmark MA



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Re: finding obit lookup sources #general

Beth Wellington <wellingtonbj@...>
 

If you are looking for recent obits, large city newspapers are also
often available online with searchable archives. In many cases the
search is free, although there may be a fee for sending you the actual
obit. Of course, once you know where to find the article you can
pursue the hard copy.

You can use any search engine to see what's out there. For instance
YAHOO lets you search online newspapers by state at:

http://dir.yahoo.com/News_and_Media/Newspapers/Browse_By_Region/U_S__States/

(For searches outside of the U.S. just delete that last part after
"Region")

Beth





Large city newspapers are often available on microfilm and
through the InterLoan Library system.

Carol Skydell
Chilmark MA



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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Heidelberg School for Jewish Studies #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-09-20 07:38:46 EDT, hannakg@... writes:

<< "Hochschule fuer Juedische Studien in Heidelberg" . . . . Is anybody
familiar with this school? >>
==It would be nice if they had a Jewish high school in Heidelberg, but I kinda
doubt it. More likely it is the School for Jewish Studies in the University
of Heidelberg (many German universities have such departments--strange how
much Germans now strive to remember us!). You could probably find the
university on the net. If not, write to Stadtsverwaltung (=City
administration), Heidelberg, Germany.

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): Frankfurt, Wurzburg, Furth, Yugoslavia, Westchester


Re: Heidelberg School for Jewish Studies #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-09-20 07:38:46 EDT, hannakg@... writes:

<< "Hochschule fuer Juedische Studien in Heidelberg" . . . . Is anybody
familiar with this school? >>
==It would be nice if they had a Jewish high school in Heidelberg, but I kinda
doubt it. More likely it is the School for Jewish Studies in the University
of Heidelberg (many German universities have such departments--strange how
much Germans now strive to remember us!). You could probably find the
university on the net. If not, write to Stadtsverwaltung (=City
administration), Heidelberg, Germany.

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): Frankfurt, Wurzburg, Furth, Yugoslavia, Westchester


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Morton Allan Directory for Ships arriving into NY #general

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

a caveat here.. While it has not been my experience (yet) I've
been advised that Morton Allan has been known to have errors up
to a week in either direction. Bear this in mind when looking
for passenger manifests that don't turn up on the expected films.

Also, if you're looking for a manifest based on "date of
arrival" as indicated on naturalization records, remember
that this date of arrival is not necessarily the date the ship
arrived. It could reflect the fact that the passenger was
detained and actually "arrived" in New York several days *after*
the ship docked. When you do locate the manifest, check the
last pages of it for List of Detained Passengers....sometimes
very interesting information is contained on those pages.

Carol Skydell
Chilmark, MA


Re: Morton Allan Directory for Ships arriving into NY #general

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

a caveat here.. While it has not been my experience (yet) I've
been advised that Morton Allan has been known to have errors up
to a week in either direction. Bear this in mind when looking
for passenger manifests that don't turn up on the expected films.

Also, if you're looking for a manifest based on "date of
arrival" as indicated on naturalization records, remember
that this date of arrival is not necessarily the date the ship
arrived. It could reflect the fact that the passenger was
detained and actually "arrived" in New York several days *after*
the ship docked. When you do locate the manifest, check the
last pages of it for List of Detained Passengers....sometimes
very interesting information is contained on those pages.

Carol Skydell
Chilmark, MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sima=sister?? #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Does the word Sima have a meaning or is just a name? What is the word for
sister in Yiddish? I am trying to solve a puzzle between a woman named Pearl
and a woman my family refers to as Sima. They seem like the same person but I
am wondering if they were or not.

Thanks for your help.

Happy new year to all!

Allan Jordan
aejordan@...


Sima=sister?? #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Does the word Sima have a meaning or is just a name? What is the word for
sister in Yiddish? I am trying to solve a puzzle between a woman named Pearl
and a woman my family refers to as Sima. They seem like the same person but I
am wondering if they were or not.

Thanks for your help.

Happy new year to all!

Allan Jordan
aejordan@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: STEPMAN #general

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

Bill Druckman writes:

My wife's father's family name was STEPMAN. Morris >STEPMAN
died shortly after arriving in the USA (Phila). The >genealogy
stops there - no siblings or parentage or origins are >known.
Can anyone help?

Since you don't tell us what you've already done <grin> I may
be sending you to sources you're already checked.....

Just some random thoughts off the top of my head...
1. Passenger manifest:
depending on date of arrival you may get a lot of information
on the manifest, like where he was born, last place of
residence, who he left behind in the old country, who he was
coming to in this country. Have you looked at the manifest?

2. City Directory:
other Stepman's in the directory at the time he came. Often
people lived very close to other family members. Have you
looked at city directories?

3. Census:
same as above Have you looked at census pages?

4. death cert
gives date and place of death as well as interment...which
leads you to cemetery and possible burial society as well as
death notice in local newspaper which may list surviving family
members Do you have the death cert?

5. If you know the names of his parents, you are armed with a
clue to linking other STEPMANs to the family...search marriage
records for STEPMAN and you may find the same parents listed.

To learn where to find all these records consult the JewishGen
infofile FAQ which is a primer on how to do research, telling
you what records to access, where you will find them and what
information they will contain.

Hope this gives you some places to look
Carol Skydell
Chilmark MA


Re: STEPMAN #general

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

Bill Druckman writes:

My wife's father's family name was STEPMAN. Morris >STEPMAN
died shortly after arriving in the USA (Phila). The >genealogy
stops there - no siblings or parentage or origins are >known.
Can anyone help?

Since you don't tell us what you've already done <grin> I may
be sending you to sources you're already checked.....

Just some random thoughts off the top of my head...
1. Passenger manifest:
depending on date of arrival you may get a lot of information
on the manifest, like where he was born, last place of
residence, who he left behind in the old country, who he was
coming to in this country. Have you looked at the manifest?

2. City Directory:
other Stepman's in the directory at the time he came. Often
people lived very close to other family members. Have you
looked at city directories?

3. Census:
same as above Have you looked at census pages?

4. death cert
gives date and place of death as well as interment...which
leads you to cemetery and possible burial society as well as
death notice in local newspaper which may list surviving family
members Do you have the death cert?

5. If you know the names of his parents, you are armed with a
clue to linking other STEPMANs to the family...search marriage
records for STEPMAN and you may find the same parents listed.

To learn where to find all these records consult the JewishGen
infofile FAQ which is a primer on how to do research, telling
you what records to access, where you will find them and what
information they will contain.

Hope this gives you some places to look
Carol Skydell
Chilmark MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Why did Jews slavicize their last names? #general

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

I have wondered whether any studies have been done to explain why certain
Jewish communities or families slavicized their original Germanic Jewish
last names, while others did not. Why did this happen, where and when?

Thus Rosen probably became Krasner, Schwartz Cherny, Apfel Yablik, etc.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen British WW1 Service Records #general

Stephen Mednick <cssaus@...>
 

For anyone interested in obtaining the records of British Servicemen
from WWI, I've come across some information that may prove useful in
their research.

Apparently surviving service papers relating to army officers discharged
prior to 1922 are not available at the PRO under classes WO339 & WO374.
The documents are apparently well indexed and relatively easy to
research.

FOr ordinary solders >from WWI, the records are gradually being release
for public inspection. The documents were helpd at the War Office when
the building was bombed in 1940 where a lot of the records were damaged
and mostly destroyed by fire & water.

The surviving records which comprise about 40% of the original holdings
are held at the Ministry of Defence and it's possible to make a request
to the Ministry to search for a particular document. The surviving
documents are apparently in the process being microfilmed and they're
planning on releasing by the first letter of the surname. So far N, O,
Q, U, V & Z have been done and the films are available >from the PRO.

However, the above problems may be circumvented if one of the following
applies:

A number of soldiers served in the army prior to WWI, were discharge and
then reenlisted in 191, it's possible that the documents covering the
earlier period are located in a class known as W097.

Alternative, when a soldier wwas granted a pension, a duplicate service
record was passed to the Ministry of Pensions. These records have
survived intact and are held in a class know as WO364.

I hope this information may be of use to some people.

Stephen Mednick
Sydney, Australia
cssaus@...

Researching:
MEDNICK (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)
SACHS/SACKS (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)


Why did Jews slavicize their last names? #general

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

I have wondered whether any studies have been done to explain why certain
Jewish communities or families slavicized their original Germanic Jewish
last names, while others did not. Why did this happen, where and when?

Thus Rosen probably became Krasner, Schwartz Cherny, Apfel Yablik, etc.


British WW1 Service Records #general

Stephen Mednick <cssaus@...>
 

For anyone interested in obtaining the records of British Servicemen
from WWI, I've come across some information that may prove useful in
their research.

Apparently surviving service papers relating to army officers discharged
prior to 1922 are not available at the PRO under classes WO339 & WO374.
The documents are apparently well indexed and relatively easy to
research.

FOr ordinary solders >from WWI, the records are gradually being release
for public inspection. The documents were helpd at the War Office when
the building was bombed in 1940 where a lot of the records were damaged
and mostly destroyed by fire & water.

The surviving records which comprise about 40% of the original holdings
are held at the Ministry of Defence and it's possible to make a request
to the Ministry to search for a particular document. The surviving
documents are apparently in the process being microfilmed and they're
planning on releasing by the first letter of the surname. So far N, O,
Q, U, V & Z have been done and the films are available >from the PRO.

However, the above problems may be circumvented if one of the following
applies:

A number of soldiers served in the army prior to WWI, were discharge and
then reenlisted in 191, it's possible that the documents covering the
earlier period are located in a class known as W097.

Alternative, when a soldier wwas granted a pension, a duplicate service
record was passed to the Ministry of Pensions. These records have
survived intact and are held in a class know as WO364.

I hope this information may be of use to some people.

Stephen Mednick
Sydney, Australia
cssaus@...

Researching:
MEDNICK (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)
SACHS/SACKS (Kalius,UKR & London,ENG)