Date   
Givatayim, Israel Meeting Nov. 13, 2019 Pedigree Scrolls Throughout Jewish History

Hinda Solomon
 

 Israel Genealogy Research Association - Lecturer Beniamin Panteliat.
The lecture will be in Hebrew.

  As part of the International Month of Jewish Genealogy, Beniamin
  Panteliat will introduce us to the world of pedigree scrolls of the Jewish
  people. What are they?  When did they come into being? And why? How were relationships documented?
  How was  documentation kept in different periods and how was it passed from generation
  to generation? Why did the members of the Ibn Danan family from Morocco make
  sure to write down their yichus as far as Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon on every ketubah?

Beniamin Panteliat is an expert in rabbinical genealogy, and helps bridge the gap between ancient genealogies
  and modern family trees.

  Shazar Community Center, 30 Yavne’eli St.,  Givatayim, Israel
  Entrance fee NIS 20. IGRA members no charge

 7:30  PM  -Mingling and light refreshments
8:00 PM - 9:30 PM Lecture

Map:  https://goo.gl/maps/zvesttigzxJT6ViQ7
Website: http://genealogy.org.il/
 E-mail:  hinda@...

Posted by Hinda Solomon
Rishon LeZion, Israel

Help - Crack a puzzle about Ptaszek family research

דוד נ.א.
 

Summary:
1. Could it be that "Beyla" in one record is "Dwora" in another?
2. Is "Myszka" likely to be "Hisza"?

Baruch Hashem, I managed to reach my family research a few generations
back to the early nineteenth century, to a grandfather named Asher
Ptaszek, from the town of Miedzyrzec. Except here, I was stopped by a
fascinating challenge.

"Grandpa Asher" had a brother, named Nachman. On the other hand, I
found in the town a man named Nachman Ptaszek. If Nachman is the
brother of "Asher" - then it fascinating. Because the documents tell
about Nahman's parents and even his grandparents (until 1760!), And
also about his many descendants, of whom I also found people living
with us today.

But, how disappointing: I can't find conclusive proof of Nachman's
identification as Asher's brother. On the one hand, all signs indicate
that they are siblings, but on the other hand - there is some data
that contradicts that. And the "conclusive " proof - I don't, because
I don't have enough data on Asher's family.

I won't give you all the data and image analysis here, because it will
be long, I'll just share with you the basics, and the problems that
mark me.

The documents clearly state that Asher's wife called "Dwora" and that
he had a brother called Asher. And also Nachman's documents say he had
a brother named Asher. In terms of age - they are similar, both about
1808. Other signs indicate a match.

So why not? Mainly because of the following reason:
I found the death record of a person named Asher Ptaszek. It can be a
good match for my grandfather, especially in light of the fact that he
died young (24), like my grandfather. But, my grandfather's wife was
called "Dwora", and the widow of this "Asher" was called "Beyla".

The names are quite different, it seems that the clerk was wrong. She
may have been called two names "Dwora Beyla" but that is also
unlikely. Deborah appears in her name so her only name in three
certificates over different periods (birth, marriage, and death of her
daughter), strange that in one certificate only Beyla appears as a
single name.

And assuming this Asher is not "My Grandfather Asher" is a problem.
Because the names of his parents are very similar to the names of
Nachman's parents, and very likely they are brothers, and if so he is
Nachman's brother and not "mine".

The parents of this Asher (from the death certificate) called Samuel
and "Myszka," while Nachman's parents called Samuel and "Hisza." It's
probably the same people. Especially as far as I know - there is no
such woman's name "Myszka", very likely it is the clerk's mistake in
identifying the sound. How about that?

Thank you for your help
David Nesher
Israel

Re: New records online: the New York City *Geographic* Birth Index, late 19th and early 20th century, from Reclaim The Records

Judy Kaufman
 

Manhattan 1910-1914  only has "a" which only goes through 425 East Broadway (of course I need Norfolk St.) - will the rest of Manhattan 1910-1914 be added?

Re: grave on Mt. Of Olives

Gayle Schlissel Riley
 

Mt olives records are in Mea Sherim. They have wonderful maps. I got my great grandfathers records there..Gayle
Louis Littman Gold

Re: New records online: the New York City *Geographic* Birth Index, late 19th and early 20th century, from Reclaim The Records

Asparagirl
 

Judy writes:
"Manhattan 1910-1914 only has "a" which only goes through 425 East
Broadway (of course I need Norfolk St.) - will the rest of Manhattan
1910-1914 be added?"

Hi Judy,

Reclaim The Records has acquired, digitized, and posted online every
microfilm of the New York City Geographic Birth Index that the New
York City Municipal Archives currently has in their possession --
that's 96 microfilms. But as you've noticed, the records
unceremoniously cut off in the early twentieth century, in different
years depending on the Borough (county).

There are many other films of this Geographic Birth Index, which
supposedly go up through the 1940's or possibly the early 1950's. We
believe they are still in the possession of the New York City
Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, and were not turned over to
the Archives.

But as far as we know, the only way to get access to these newer
films, and the millions of names in them, would be to file a New York
State Freedom of Information Law (FOIL) request with the DOH. And
judging from the DOH's terrible behavior concerning FOIL and
historical records access, it is likely that they would ignore such a
FOIL request, or try to deny it on ridiculous terms, perhaps inventing
"creative" new FOIL exemptions, or claiming that their internal
policies or rules could somehow trump the state law. And therefore,
this request would most likely have to turn into a real Freedom of
Information lawsuit -- which is more accurately an "Article 78"
petition filed in the Supreme Court of New York.

And we're perfectly happy to do that, if needed! Since our founding in
2015, Reclaim The Records has filed *nine* lawsuits against various
city, state, and federal government agencies...well, so far. And other
than the awesome Alex Krakovsky in Ukraine, we seem to be the only
genealogists in the world who actually fight for genealogical records
access in court. And we're pretty good at it. ;-)

But the thing is, Reclaim The Records is *already* suing the NYC DOH
in a different Freedom of Information suit right now, fighting for the
first-ever public release of all New York City death certificates for
1949-1968. And we're also attempting to strike down their awful new
rules against access to NYC birth and death certificates. You can read
more about that ongoing case here:
https://www.reclaimtherecords.org/records-request/24/
(FYI, the first hearing is coming up this Thursday!)

So if you'd like to help fund *another* lawsuit to sue the NYC DOH
under FOIL, to get the other forty years of the New York Geographical
Birth Index out of the hands of the DOH and onto the Internet where it
belongs, we would be happy to help. And it's certainly something that
we might chose to do in the future. But the reality is that these
lawsuits cost money, and we're a small non-profit, with an
all-volunteer board. So we need to pick and choose our battles, and
schedule these lawsuits strategically...and also ask for donations, to
help make these lawsuits a reality.

To sum up: yes, of course we want to get the rest of this great record
set, and many other historical records too, and not just in New York
-- but the only way to make that kind of thing happen is to raise more
funding to hire lawyers, or else find more attorneys who are willing
to work with us pro bono. The good news is that the law is quite often
on our side, and that these suits can work really well. The bad news
is that we have to pace ourselves and can only file and manage a few
suits a year, so that our ambitions don't outstrip our bank account.
;-)


- Brooke Schreier Ganz
Mill Valley, California

Surnames: Palumbo - SIcily/ Homer - Poland

shefa22@...
 

bs'd

Hello Group!
I'm trying to find living relatives or historaical data on the names Palumbo and Homer.
Homer was my biological father's last name.
Palumbo is my great grandmother's name on paternal side.
Thanks in advance. 
May we all be successful in our family roots search!

Re: New records online: the New York City *Geographic* Birth Index, late 19th and early 20th century, from Reclaim The Records

A. E. Jordan
 


Brooke Schreier Ganz writes
There are many other films of this Geographic Birth Index, which
supposedly go up through the 1940's or possibly the early 1950's. We
believe they are still in the possession of the New York City
Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, and were not turned over to
the Archives.



I have had some experience with these files at the Health Department.  As part of a search a few years ago I asked for access to these files or the ability to check for a missing birth record.  It was a long drawn out process with the Health Department constantly asking me if I was the father of the child born in 1910 who died in 1912.  I got a certified copy of the death certificate from the Archives and using the DOH own rules I should have been permitted access to the birth record which was critical for the research.

After convincing DOH that it was mathematically (and biologically) impossible for me to be the father of a child who died 100-plus years ago one of the supervisors worked on my search.

When I raised the question of the geographic birth index to help solve the problem they admitted it exists on microfilm but later came back to me saying it was not possible that the records were "molding away" in their sub basement.

It would be great for Reclaim to win with the DOH but I fear what they may find.

Allan Jordan

Lowy-Wagschal family

Neil Rosenstein
 

Trying to make contact with the children of Feiga (nee Wagschal - of the Chassidic dynasty) Lowy - DRs Jos and Izzy (Israel) Lowy. Their grandfather was Rabbi  Joshua (Osias) Wagschal of Frysztak-Kortchin-Williamsburg, born Frysztak on June 3, 1889 and died in New York on September 6, 1944 and was buried in Beth David Cemetery, Elmont, 

Looking for Stewart Ira Cohen

nk
 

Hello,

I am wanting to contact Stewart Ira Cohen, originally from Malden, Massachusetts. He likely made aliyah in the 1970s. I would appreciate any contact information. Please respond privately. Thank you.

Michele Zell Kanter
Skokie, IL (origianlly from Winnipeg, Canada)


Researching:
Greenberg: Kamenny Brod, Ukraine
Karlik, Laventman: Kitaigorod, Ukraine/Bessarabia
Korb, Levin, Levit: Skopishok, Lithuania; Latvia
Zelbovitch, Zilber: Ponidel, Lithuania

Re: grave on Mt. Of Olives

Moishe Miller
 

Gayle,
You say "Mt olives records are in Mea Sherim". Can you be more specific? How do we access them? Is there any contact or address detail you can add?

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY

Re: grave on Mt. Of Olives

Dror Bereznitsky
 

Mount of Olives has a website which allows search for a grave.
It will return information transcribed from the tombstone and sometimes a photo.
It has an English and Hebrew versions.

Re: New records online: the New York City *Geographic* Birth Index, late 19th and early 20th century,

Bruce Drake
 

I appreciatge the work and new offering from Reclaim the Records as well, but I found it hard to use

Re: Surnames: Palumbo - SIcily/ Homer - Poland

kidlit_page@...
 

I know many Palumbos in the Greater Cincinnati, Ohio area (USA)... but they're not Jewish.

Re: Looking for Lois KULINSKY in USA #chicago #Help #USA

sharrandipity@...
 

Lois Kulinksy passed away in early September, 2019.  She was a Family Law attorney with a fine reputation. I knew her professionally and not personally.  Her obituary may be found in the Chicago Tribune and/or the Chicago Sun Times.

Ship manifest 1857

John Anderson
 

I am faced with a problem regarding my maternal great grandfather, Wilhelm WOLF; I am unsure of the ship on which he arrived.

 

Here is what I thought I knew: I found, at one  time, a manifest with his name on it on the ship Admiral sailing from  Havre to NYC arriving 16 Apr 1857. He was born 03 Dec 1840 in Deidesheim, Germany, then  a part of Bavaria.

 

However, there is a passport application for him dated 11 May 1903 from Newark, Essex County, New Jersey in which he clearly states he sailed aboard the Wilhelm Tell from Havre, France on or about the 1st of March 1857.

 

I cannot find any proof or manifest list, however, to substantiate this. Any ideas?

 

John Anderson,

Orlando, Florida

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Istvan Csepke - Mystery Child on JDC card #France #Hungary #Help

Judi Gyory Missel
 

In searching the recently available JDC cards, I found my relatives Imre and Maria Aszodi heading to France after escaping from Budapest after the 1956 Hungarian uprising. They eventually settled in Toronto, Canada. On their departure card, a 4 year old child named Istvan Csepke born in Debrecen is listed as part of the family. Istvan never went to Canada. No one in the family has ever heard of him and, unfortunately, both Imre and Maria have passed away. Does anyone have any idea of how to go about looking for Istvan? Was he being taken to relatives in France? I know of no other family from Debrecen, so how did he end up in Imre and Maria's care? Did he die in France and that's why he did not go with them to Canada? 
Any ideas for further research would be appreciated.
Judi Gyori Missel
Mesa, Arizona

Re: grave on Mt. Of Olives

Flavio Baran
 

This is a link to the new Israel Chevra Kadisha website: https://gravez.me/en/
Although it says that Mt. of Olives cemetery is not yet included ("coming soon"), I would try to contact them through the website and ask for help.
Good luck,
Vered Dayan   

JGS of Illinois presents Curt B. Witcher of the Allen County Library on Nov. 17 #research #jgsillinois

Martin Fischer
 

“Using Periodical Literature for Genealogical Research” and “More than Surname Surfing: Best Practices for Using the Internet for Genealogy” will be the topics of two presentations by genealogy library manager Curt B. Witcher at the Sunday, Nov. 17, 2019, meeting of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois. This special program will start at 1 p.m. at Temple Beth-El, 3610 Dundee Road, Northbrook, Ill. Attendees will sign in beginning at 12:30 p.m.

For this meeting only, the JGSI library and help desk will not be available. For more information, see the Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois website at https://jgsi.org/event-3163820 or phone 312-666-0100.


Curt B. Witcher is manager of the Genealogy Center of the Allen County Public Library in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

Newspapers and other periodical publications can be a wealth of family history information. “Using Periodical Literature for Genealogical Research,” which starts at 1 p.m., should be of interest to anyone conducting genealogical research.

While many family history documents remain on paper in archives and government offices, increasingly such genealogical research resources are being put online. In his second presentation, “More than Surname Surfing: Best Practices for Using the Internet for Genealogy,” which starts at 2:30 p.m., Curt will share tips for effective use of online genealogical resources.

The Allen County Library is well-known for its genealogical research resources, offering a collection of interest to family historians worldwide. Its extensive collection includes more than 350,000 printed volumes and more than 513,000 items of microfilm and microfiche. These include family histories, census records, city directories, passenger lists, military records and much more. Their online databases include Ancestry.com, HeritageQuestOnline.com and AmericanAncestors.org as well as government document and obituary databases.

Curt B. Witcher is the library’s Senior Manager for Special Collections, a job which entails managing The Genealogy Center, serving as general curator for that institution’s Rare and Fine Book Collection, and supervising the new Lincoln Financial Collection’s Lincoln Library. He has worked at the Allen County Public Library for more than 35 years. Curt is a member of the Genealogy Committee of the American Library Association, a past chair of the association’s History Section, a former president of both the Federation of Genealogical Societies and the National Genealogical Society, and the founding president of the Indiana Genealogical Society. 


JGSI is a non-profit organization dedicated to helping members collect, preserve, and perpetuate the records and history of their ancestors. The group is a resource for the worldwide Jewish community to research their Chicago-area roots. 

The JGSI motto is “Members Helping Members Since 1981.” The group has more than 300 members.


Martin Fischer
Vice President-Publicity
Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois

JGSI website: https://jgsi.org
Searchable JGSI Jewish Chicago Database (JJCD): https://jgsi.org/JGSI-Jewish-Chicago-Database

Re: Ship manifest 1857

Susan&David
 

Wilhelm Wolf can be found on Ancestry.com arriving New York aboard the Admiral on 16 April, 1857. He is 16 years old from Bavaria.
The passport application, if it is by the same Wilhelm Wolf, has mis-remembered ship information, not unusual after 46 years and little in the way of resources to locate the true details.

David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 11/6/2019 11:28 AM, John Anderson wrote:

I am faced with a problem regarding my maternal great grandfather, Wilhelm WOLF; I am unsure of the ship on which he arrived.

 

Here is what I thought I knew: I found, at one  time, a manifest with his name on it on the ship Admiral sailing from  Havre to NYC arriving 16 Apr 1857. He was born 03 Dec 1840 in Deidesheim, Germany, then  a part of Bavaria.

 

However, there is a passport application for him dated 11 May 1903 from Newark, Essex County, New Jersey in which he clearly states he sailed aboard the Wilhelm Tell from Havre, France on or about the 1st of March 1857.

 

I cannot find any proof or manifest list, however, to substantiate this. Any ideas?

 

John Anderson,

Orlando, Florida

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Josef Erlich of Ostrowiec Poland #Help

alipshaw@...
 

Hi!

i am looking for information regarding Josef Erlich born 1913 in Ostrowiec Poland. He was married to Mindel Berger who died along with their 4 young sons in Treblinka. I have recently learned that Josef survived and moved to Miami in the 1950’s, however that’s my dead end. 


Any assistance appreciate!

smiles,
anna 
alipshaw@...