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Trying to decipher names

Werner Hirsch
 

I am trying to figure out the names of the parents of a distant cousin of mine.  Her name was Bertha Weinberg who was born in Germany.  She married Jacob Selig in 1933 in New York.  I found the record at: https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?givenname=bertha&givenname_exact=on&surname=weinberg&surname_exact=on&birth_place=germany&birth_place_exact=on&birth_year_from=1904&birth_year_to=1908&count=20&offset=0

This site shows the names of her parents as:
Father's Name    Benshaw Weinberg
Mother's Name    Bertha Reaunsch...Eijr

It seems obvious that there was an error in transcription or in an OCR reading of the original.  Does anyone have any ideas of what these names might be, or where I could find a copy of the original document?

Werner HIRSCH
New Haven, CT
wernerh@...

A. E. Jordan
 

Werner HIRSCH askedL

It seems obvious that there was an error in transcription or in an OCR reading of the original.  Does anyone have any ideas of what these names might be, or where I could find a copy of the original document?  (referring to information he saw online from a New York City marriage certificate.)



I answered Werner directly for what he needs but this is a good example of how to make New York records work for you.  The issue of names is a common problem due to handwriting or problems with the certificate.

The original certificate is at the NYC Municipal Archives in Manhattan or it is also visible if you can get to a Family History Center,  You can check the transcription and hopefully find the error and things like the spelling.

But there's a trick to double check the information and that is the NYC Marriage Licenses from this time frame.  Between 1908 and 1937 it is likely that there are actually two documents:  the marriage certificate that the Health Department issued but also the Marriage License issued by the City Clerk's office.  The clerk asked largely the same questions so you have a second place done within 60 days of the marriage ceremony where the names would be recorded.  If there is a handwriting problem or mark obscuring details on the image of the certificate the license if a good double check to see the same information.

Problem of course is the license is only available on the microfilm at the Municipal Archives but don't forget it as a second chance to see the information and hopefully solve a problem like what Werner is encountering right now.

Allan Jordan


Barbara Mannlein
 



It is on Film 1684959, and is Marriage cert # 81 on that roll.
[New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24D2-PNV : 10 February 2018), Jacob Selig and Bertha Weinberg, 31 Dec 1933; citing Marriage, Manhattan, New York, New York, United States, New York City Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm 1,684,959.]


You are in luck:  You must visit a Family History Center, and there’s one oin Woodbridge and o

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    My guess is that Bertha Weinberg’s father was Bernhard…. 

    So I did a quick search. I found the 1940 census (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K3YR-CNG) with  Jack Selig, wed to a Bertha, and their son, Bernard. Living with them were Jack’s parents, David and Mathilda and a cousin Karl.  Now, per the marriage record you found Jack’s (Jacob) parents were David and Mathilde, and Bertha’s father was Ben….

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ



On Oct 24, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Werner Hirsch <wernerh@...> wrote:

I am trying to figure out the names of the parents of a distant cousin of mine.  Her name was Bertha Weinberg who was born in Germany.  She married Jacob Selig in 1933 in New York.  I found the record at: https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?givenname=bertha&givenname_exact=on&surname=weinberg&surname_exact=on&birth_place=germany&birth_place_exact=on&birth_year_from=1904&birth_year_to=1908&count=20&offset=0

This site shows the names of her parents as:
Father's Name    Benshaw Weinberg
Mother's Name    Bertha Reaunsch...Eijr

It seems obvious that there was an error in transcription or in an OCR reading of the original.  Does anyone have any ideas of what these names might be, or where I could find a copy of the original document?

Werner HIRSCH
New Haven, CT
wernerh@...

Renee Steinig
 

Indeed, there are many errors in New York City vital records transcriptions on FamilySearch.org. Some ways to see the original handwritten record:

- View it (free) on FamilySearch at a local Family History Center. (See locations here: https://www.familysearch.org/locations/ .)

- Order a copy (c. $15) from the NYC Municipal Archives (https://www1.nyc.gov/dorforms/deathCertificate.htm).

According to Bertha's U.S. arrival record (Berta Weinberg, 20, last residence Erdmannrode, arrived in NY 6 Sept. 1924), her father's name was Bernhard.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY
genmaven@...

Werner Hirsch <wernerh@...> wrote:

I am trying to figure out the names of the parents of a distant cousin of mine. Her name was Bertha Weinberg who was born in Germany. She married Jacob Selig in 1933 in New York.  I found the record at: https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?givenname=bertha&givenname_exact=on&surname=weinberg&surname_exact=on&birth_place=germany&birth_place_exact=on&birth_year_from=1904&birth_year_to=1908&count=20&offset=0

This site shows the names of her parents as:
Father's Name    Benshaw Weinberg
Mother's Name    Bertha Reaunsch...Eijr

It seems obvious that there was an error in transcription or in an OCR reading of the original. Does anyone have any ideas of what these names might be, or where I could find a copy of the original document?

sharon yampell
 

For those of you on Facebook, there is a group on Facebook called Genealogy with Jan; Jan lives in SLC and works for the LDS Family center and if you go on Family Search and send her the certificate number and the names of those you are looking for, she will pull the record for you free of charge and email you a copy of the document.

 

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It is on Film 1684959, and is Marriage cert # 81 on that roll.
[New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24D2-PNV : 10 February 2018), Jacob Selig and Bertha Weinberg, 31 Dec 1933; citing Marriage, Manhattan, New York, New York, United States, New York City Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm 1,684,959.]


You are in luck:  You must visit a Family History Center, and there’s one oin Woodbridge and o

Woodbridge (CT) Family History Center    203-387-2012

990 Racebrook RoadWOODBRIDGEConnecticut 06525

×
  • Hours

    Tues 10:00 AM-1:00 PM, 7pm-9pm; Wed 10am-1pm, 7pm-9pm; Thurs 7pm-9 pm; Sat 9am-1pm.

  • Notes

    If the hours do not work for you- Please call to make an appointment. 203 640 2378 Closures: During Inclement weather the center will remained closed.


    My guess is that Bertha Weinberg’s father was Bernhard…. 

    So I did a quick search. I found the 1940 census (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K3YR-CNG) with  Jack Selig, wed to a Bertha, and their son, Bernard. Living with them were Jack’s parents, David and Mathilda and a cousin Karl.  Now, per the marriage record you found Jack’s (Jacob) parents were David and Mathilde, and Bertha’s father was Ben….

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ



On Oct 24, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Werner Hirsch <wernerh@...> wrote:

I am trying to figure out the names of the parents of a distant cousin of mine.  Her name was Bertha Weinberg who was born in Germany.  She married Jacob Selig in 1933 in New York.  I found the record at: https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?givenname=bertha&givenname_exact=on&surname=weinberg&surname_exact=on&birth_place=germany&birth_place_exact=on&birth_year_from=1904&birth_year_to=1908&count=20&offset=0

This site shows the names of her parents as:
Father's Name    Benshaw Weinberg
Mother's Name    Bertha Reaunsch...Eijr

It seems obvious that there was an error in transcription or in an OCR reading of the original.  Does anyone have any ideas of what these names might be, or where I could find a copy of the original document?

Werner HIRSCH
New Haven, CT
wernerh@...

Barbara Mannlein
 

Not any more…. she got hassled by the LDS for violating their rules… as a worker there, she is not allowed to pull for others not on site.

On Oct 24, 2019, at 7:13 PM, sharon yampell <genealogicalgenie@...> wrote:

For those of you on Facebook, there is a group on Facebook called Genealogy with Jan; Jan lives in SLC and works for the LDS Family center and if you go on Family Search and send her the certificate number and the names of those you are looking for, she will pull the record for you free of charge and email you a copy of the document.
 
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It is on Film 1684959, and is Marriage cert # 81 on that roll.
[New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24D2-PNV : 10 February 2018), Jacob Selig and Bertha Weinberg, 31 Dec 1933; citing Marriage, Manhattan, New York, New York, United States, New York City Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm 1,684,959.]

You are in luck:  You must visit a Family History Center, and there’s one oin Woodbridge and o

Woodbridge (CT) Family History Center    203-387-2012

990 Racebrook RoadWOODBRIDGEConnecticut 06525

  • Hours

    Tues 10:00 AM-1:00 PM, 7pm-9pm; Wed 10am-1pm, 7pm-9pm; Thurs 7pm-9 pm; Sat 9am-1pm.

  • Notes

    If the hours do not work for you- Please call to make an appointment. 203 640 2378 Closures: During Inclement weather the center will remained closed.


    My guess is that Bertha Weinberg’s father was Bernhard…. 
    So I did a quick search. I found the 1940 census (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K3YR-CNG) with  Jack Selig, wed to a Bertha, and their son, Bernard. Living with them were Jack’s parents, David and Mathilda and a cousin Karl.  Now, per the marriage record you found Jack’s (Jacob) parents were David and Mathilde, and Bertha’s father was Ben….

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

On Oct 24, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Werner Hirsch <wernerh@...> wrote:
I am trying to figure out the names of the parents of a distant cousin of mine.  Her name was Bertha Weinberg who was born in Germany.  She married Jacob Selig in 1933 in New York.  I found the record at: https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?givenname=bertha&givenname_exact=on&surname=weinberg&surname_exact=on&birth_place=germany&birth_place_exact=on&birth_year_from=1904&birth_year_to=1908&count=20&offset=0

This site shows the names of her parents as:
Father's Name    Benshaw Weinberg
Mother's Name    Bertha Reaunsch...Eijr

It seems obvious that there was an error in transcription or in an OCR reading of the original.  Does anyone have any ideas of what these names might be, or where I could find a copy of the original document?

Werner HIRSCH
New Haven, CT
wernerh@...
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JUSTICEOFP
 

I am attaching two documents.  One is the ship's manifest with the name of Bertha's father.
Linda Winkleman
Wallingford, CT

Mark Jacobson
 

Please don't send messages like that. Jan does not, and cannot, send anyone restricted images. You have to go to the LDS near you to get the images. She did provide images in the past and was told by the LDS she could not do it, that she violated their agreement. She had a lot of problems (including her LDS account being blocked and her not being allowed to volunteer) and they monitor her facebook group and will close it if people ask for images.
 
Mark Jacobson
Past President, JGSPBCI
Gesher Galicia Board member
JRI-Poland Town Leader Boryslaw and Drohobycz
Boca Raton, FL

 
 

On Friday, October 25, 2019, 09:23:07 AM EDT, sharon yampell <genealogicalgenie@...> wrote:
 
 

For those of you on Facebook, there is a group on Facebook called Genealogy with Jan; Jan lives in SLC and works for the LDS Family center and if you go on Family Search and send her the certificate number and the names of those you are looking for, she will pull the record for you free of charge and email you a copy of the document.

 

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From: main@... <main@...> on behalf of Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 5:53:23 PM
To: main@... <main@...>; wernerh@... <wernerh@...>
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Trying to decipher names
 

 
It is on Film 1684959, and is Marriage cert # 81 on that roll.
[New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24D2-PNV : 10 February 2018), Jacob Selig and Bertha Weinberg, 31 Dec 1933; citing Marriage, Manhattan, New York, New York, United States, New York City Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm 1,684,959.]
 
 
You are in luck:  You must visit a Family History Center, and there’s one oin Woodbridge and o
 
Woodbridge (CT) Family History Center    203-387-2012

990 Racebrook RoadWOODBRIDGEConnecticut 06525

×
  • Hours

    Tues 10:00 AM-1:00 PM, 7pm-9pm; Wed 10am-1pm, 7pm-9pm; Thurs 7pm-9 pm; Sat 9am-1pm.

  • Notes

    If the hours do not work for you- Please call to make an appointment. 203 640 2378 Closures: During Inclement weather the center will remained closed.

     
    My guess is that Bertha Weinberg’s father was Bernhard…. 
     
    So I did a quick search. I found the 1940 census (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K3YR-CNG) with  Jack Selig, wed to a Bertha, and their son, Bernard. Living with them were Jack’s parents, David and Mathilda and a cousin Karl.  Now, per the marriage record you found Jack’s (Jacob) parents were David and Mathilde, and Bertha’s father was Ben….
 
Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ
 
 

On Oct 24, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Werner Hirsch <wernerh@...> wrote:

I am trying to figure out the names of the parents of a distant cousin of mine.  Her name was Bertha Weinberg who was born in Germany.  She married Jacob Selig in 1933 in New York.  I found the record at: https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?givenname=bertha&givenname_exact=on&surname=weinberg&surname_exact=on&birth_place=germany&birth_place_exact=on&birth_year_from=1904&birth_year_to=1908&count=20&offset=0

This site shows the names of her parents as:
Father's Name    Benshaw Weinberg
Mother's Name    Bertha Reaunsch...Eijr

It seems obvious that there was an error in transcription or in an OCR reading of the original.  Does anyone have any ideas of what these names might be, or where I could find a copy of the original document?

Werner HIRSCH
New Haven, CT
wernerh@...
 

Susan&David
 

The ship manifest is for the September 6, 1924 NY arrival of the S.S. Stuttgart.  What is interesting is on the second page. Her Baltimore destination is her uncle, Markus NUSSBAUM.  I found Bertha WEINBERG in the 1930 census, living with the Marcus NUSBAUM in Baltimore.

David Rosen
Boston, MA


On 10/25/2019 11:18 AM, justiceofp@... wrote:
I am attaching two documents.  One is the ship's manifest with the name of Bertha's father.
Linda Winkleman
Wallingford, CT