Vienna - Royal courts #austria-czech


Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Four messages have appeared on this topic:

1. Scott Horwitz wrote:I have been looking for any sort of lists of
Jews that may have been working for the Austrian court between 1912 -
1914. THe rumor in our family is that my ggf was a geologist or
engineer for the Austrian Court and was told by and possibly helped
by a superior to get out of Austria just before WWI.>

A name would help to verify matters - and would the Court [Royal or
legal] employ geologists? I have not heard of a big panic for Jews to
get out of Vienna ***before*** WW1 - perhaps someone will let us
know. Would help have been needed to leave? I doubt it.

Could either of these be the ancestor:
HORWITZ Emil dob 2 Dec. 1869 or Gustav dob 18 Aug. 1881

2. Dora Donis-Kester wrote: <I am also looking to verify my
ancestor's work within the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. I am
particularly interested in checking around the 1764's-on. It seems
that a cousin of my grandmother was a singer in the Court.>

Again no name - there are good records and musicology researchers in
Vienna - so he/she may be known already! There were not many Jews in
Vienna in that era - but perhaps the singing took place elsewhere?

3. Andrea Steckerl wrote: <I was told as well that my grandfather was
one who worked for the court..how does one find out if that is true?>
Again no names, dates or location - they would be helpful .

4. Chana Saadia wrote: My late stepbrother was born in Vienna &
visited there about 15 yrs ago looking for family history. His mother
had told him that her father was a goldsmith to the court, & he found
a record-book which mentioned his grandfather's name. He sent me a
copy of a photo he took of the page, but it's in handwritten German &
very unclear - I don't know where it was located or what book it was
[it has a column for the name & a column for what was received]. I
can scan it & send to anyone who is interested.

I am sure goldsmiths and jewelers were commissioned to make
jewellery for the Royal entourage. That seems very feasible.

Please let us have more facts [names and dates] when you write in
with a query! I have heard about this fairy tale before which was
apparently told to Jewish children in Vienna and probably elsewhere -
namely that members of this family worked for the Royal Court.

A convenient and quick answer to children who ask: "where have we
come >from [geographically] and why did we come to Vienna?
Every child would be satisfied - after all, the Kaiser was supreme.

Celia Male [U.K.]


andrea steckerl <geneagirl64@...>
 

Hi Celia,
My grandfather was Arthur Steckerl.......my great grandfather was Ignaz
Steckerl...I was told by my father that either of these worked for the
Kaiser in some fashion.....he was not specific...he has passed so
unfortunately I cannot ask.

Sincerely,
Andrea Steckerl


From: Celia Male <celiamale@...>
1. Scott Horwitz wrote:I have been looking for any sort of lists of
Jews that may have been working for the Austrian court between 1912 -
1914. THe rumor in our family is that my ggf was a geologist or
engineer for the Austrian Court and was told by and possibly helped
by a superior to get out of Austria just before WWI.>
snip>>>>>>>>


Dora Donis
 

Hi Celia and all,

In my case, the name of the signer was Helene, Helena
or Elena KESTLER. I've looked during the late 1800s,
but found nothing. Now I'm going back to the late
1700s, since Andreas KESTLER (another relative) was
bestowed the "von" title in 1764 (Andreas Kestler was
the personal physician of Maria Theresia). Maybe the
singer also belongs to that era??????

Dora M. Donis-Kestler
ddonis@...
USA

--- andrea steckerl <geneagirl64@...> wrote:

Hi Celia,
My grandfather was Arthur Steckerl.......my great
grandfather was Ignaz
Steckerl...I was told by my father that either of
these worked for the
Kaiser in some fashion.....he was not specific...he
has passed so
unfortunately I cannot ask.

Sincerely,
Andrea Steckerl
snip>>>>>>>