Research Strategy (Moguilev Rabbinic Records) #belarus


Tiaverde@...
 

Happy New Year to All!
Dear Genners,
I hope someone with more experience could answer my question.
I had ordered some microfilms >from FHL. Well, two of them arrived and I
spent a morning yesterday looking through rabbinic records >from Mogilev. My
ancestors, GINOVKER family, however, were not >from Mogilev proper but
somewhere >from the gubernia, closer to Gorki and Orsha, may be >from Dubrovna
but again- they were millers and most likely lived in the countryside. I
looked through the "Death" section and figured out that it lists mostly
people who died in Mogilev proper, and very few of them >from other places.
My question is - in your experience, how likely it is that records >from other
places in the gubernia will show up in the booksof Mogilev proper? FHL has
more microfilms on Mogilev, but nothing for Gorki or Dubrovna. Does it make
sence to spend more money and time (which is more important for me) looking
through Mogilev books?
I will appreciate any advice in the matter,

Thanks a lot,
Olga Davydova
Montreal

Researching:
GINOVKER (HENOWKER, GENOWKER) - Orsha, Dubrovna, Lyady (Belorus); Riga
(Latvia)
AGULNIK - Pinsk (Belorus)
TRAIBMAN - Brovary (Ukraine), London (England)


David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

Much of the information people are looking for can be found on the SIG
website. There are many search tools that Edward has added to help you find
what you want, but it does take some effort on your part.

As for what records are available, there are several web pages that might
help:

One for the National Historic Archives of Belarus (Minsk) holdings is found
at <http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/minsk_archive.htm>. While you will have
to take some time to scroll through the page or use the "find" feature of
your web browser (under Edit-> Find in Internet Explorer), you can locate
what is available in the Minsk archive as well as the reference as to were
it is filed in the archive. Some of these records have been filmed by the
FHL, but others have not. The FHL has on-line finding aids where you can
see if the records you want have been filmed. In this way you can request
the specific films that have what you want.

Here is some of what is in the NHAB (Minsk) for Orsha and Gorki:

Dobromysl' Jewish Community (Dobromysl', Orsha county, Mogilev province)
F.2403 1 files, 1854
- Registers of marriages
? Dubrovna petty bourgeois Community (Dubrovna, Gorki county), Mogilev
Province)

F.2672 1 files, 1871
Dubrovno Jewish Community (Dubrovno, Orsha county, Mogilev Province)

F.2458 1 files, 1862
- Lists of recruits

Lyady Jewish Community (Lyady, Gorki county, Mogilev province)
F.2451 1 files, 1899
- Registers of births

F. 3410 44 files, 1841-1917
(acts transferred >from Brest and Mogilev regional civil registry archives)
inventories: 1-3 (Metrical books) of Mogilev region
(acts received >from Mogilev region civil registry archive 05.08.1993)
Series 2 Mogilev synagogue, 1841-1917, 26 files, metrical books of Jewish
communities of Mogilev region:
- Metrical books of jewish communities of Gorki region:
15 Metrical books of Jewish marriages Gorki region, 1894-1917
16 Metrical books of Jewish deaths of Gorki region, 1894-1917
17 Metrical books of Jewish births of Lyady, 1893-1898
18 Metrical books of Jewish births of Lyady, 1900, 1909-1917
19 Metrical books of Jewish births of Lyady, 1901-1902
20 Metrical books of Jewish marriages of Lyady, 1891-1915
21 Metrical books of divorces of Lyady, 1881-1917
22 Metrical books of deaths of Lyady, 1891-1917
23 Metrical books of births of Romanov jewish community, 1897-1912,
1916-1917
24 Metrical books of marriages of Romanov jewish community, 1897-1912, 1915,
1917

F.3026 93 files, 1855-1917
- Metrical books
Orsha Jewish Community (Orsha, Mogilev Province)

Staryy Tolochin Jewish Community (Staryy Tolochin, Orsha county, Mogilev
Province)
F.2413 1 files, 1861
- Registers of births


On 1/12/03 Olga Davydova wrote:
My question is - in your experience, how likely it is that records >from other
places in the gubernia will show up in the booksof Mogilev proper? FHL has
more microfilms on Mogilev, but nothing for Gorki or Dubrovna. Does it make
sence to spend more money and time (which is more important for me) looking
through Mogilev books?
I will appreciate any advice in the matter,
If the records you want have not yet been filmed, you have three options:
1. Travel to Minsk and do the research yourself, since you appear to be able
to read Russian (Cyrillic) script.
2. Hire a researcher in Belarus to do the research for you.
3. Contact the NHAB (Minsk) and have them find what you want.

You should also know that the Belarus SIG has embarked on a major project to
extract, translate, and put into the All Belarus Database the records from
the Minsk archive that have been filmed by the FHL
<http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/detailed_inv_13_rolls.htm>. While we have
started with only 13 rolls of film that have been converted to CD, we will
be getting more rolls converted for the project when the first group has
been completed. If you or anyone else who has the skills to read the old
Russian script would like to volunteer to help work on this project, please
contact Irene Kudish <impromptus2002@yahoo.com>, the Translation Project
Manager.

Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox@jewishgen.org
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


Elina Smirnova <smirnova-elina@...>
 

Dear Olga
It is waste of time and money to look throught metriks, marriges and deths
if you do not know exactly where your ancesres lived. There is a book - "
Spisok naselennih mest" (A list of inhabited places), it is better to find
what places were around Mogilev and know what "prihods" were there. All the
information usually concentrated for every prihod. It is not bad to trace
the surname - to see, what other peolpe searching the same surname think
about the places their family comes from. You should find "ochag
rasprostranenija familii" (the home of the surname). Then you know, there
are lot of different information books. For example: "All Moscow", "All
Petersburg", " All Minsk" (I did not check, but they could be for Mogiliov
too, maybe with other name). You can find addresses of all people lived
there. There are telephone books. You can look throught "Pamiatnie knizki "
(Memory books).There are lists of property owners. There are lot of printed
sourses that you can find in the libraries and archives.The first aim should
be to find the exact place, where they lived, there is no sense to look
throught archive documents before you find place.
By the way, what is FHL? What kind of documents do they have? Where is it
possible to look throught the list of documents, that they have? How much
does it cost to order microfilms? What is the procedure of all these?
Best wishes
Elina Smirnova
Sait-Petersburg


Carlos Glikson
 

Elina Smirnova asked

By the way, what is FHL? What kind of documents do they have? Where is it
possible to look throught the list of documents, that they have?
Since my private reply bounced repeatedly and other readers may have
interest in this subject , I am posting the reply through the group.

Dear Elina,

FHL means Family History Library. FHC is Family History Centre. The Mormon
Church - or Latter Day Saints (LDS) - has over 3,600 FHCs in the world.

Due to religious beliefs, Mormons are very interested in genealogy and have
been collecting microfilmed records of genealogical interest all over the
world for many years. These microfilmed records can be consulted in
microfilm readers at the Family History Centres.

The website for the LDS is www.familysearch.org . I did not check and do not
know if there are centers at your region - you may be dissappointed because
some regions have none. I believe there are none in Israel, for example.

You may check out the Family History Library Catalog at the website. The
Family History Library Catalog (FHLC) is an indexed record of the over two
billion records in the vaults of the Family History Library in Salt Lake
City, Utah.

The complete FHLC can be consulted at
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp.

You have a link in the resources included in JewishGen to search in the
Jewish Records at the Family History Library. There is a page for the
database of Jewish Records in the Family History Library Catalog. You may
check
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/FHLC/info.htm

Hope this helps!

Carlos GLIKSON
Buenos Aires, Argentina
e-Mail cglikson@ciudad.com.ar

Searching for

GLIKSON, GLICKSON, GLUCKSOHN, GLUECKSOHN: Marijampole, Suwalki, Augustow,
Sejny,Sopotkin,Koenigsberg. POKROISKY, POKROJSKI, POKROY: Suwalki, Seirijai.
Lomza. ALPEROVICH, ALPEROWICZ: Kremenchug, Vilnius. HOLLANDERSKY,
HOLLENDERSKI, HOLLANDER: Suwalki, Seirijai, Lomza. TARNOPOLSKY, TARNOPOL:
Kremenchug, Kharkov. FELCHINSKY: Kremenchug, Vilnius, Felschtin?. KARP:
Grodno. SMELIENSKY(?),KRASNAPOLSKY(?), BLUMIGDAL (?), GOLUMBIEWSKY,
GOLOMB(?)