Grodno? #poland


Dear Bialystok group,

I would like to know your opinion. I have just found the manifest for my
GGM's 1892 journey to the US. She was Rebekka PONITZ SEGALOWITZ. There, she
states she is >from Grodno. I know already that she is buried in the Bialystok
section of the cemetary in Elmont, NY.

from these 2 facts, is there any way to deduce if she had lived in the city
of Grodno itself, or maybe just in the area, or in Bialystok, or just the
region? If not, is there another way to find out?

I don't where to start looking for records for her and her family in Europe.
Thank you for any help,

Paula Weiss
New York
_pbethweiss@aol.com_ (

Gary Mokotoff (Optonline) <garymokotoff@...>

It was not uncommon for immigrants to say they were >from "Grodno" meaning
Grodno guberniya (the province of Grodno) rather than the actual town
itself. I have seen this case in a number of family documents. This is
equivalent to an American in Europe being asked where they are from, and
replying "New York" meaning New York State rather than the city.

Gary Mokotoff

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>

Peoples self reports as to where they were born can be very misleading
or otherwise difficult to understand. I know for a fact that some
people listed Grodno as their place of birth but where at the time
referring to the old Russian Grodno Gubernia which included Bialystok
and most of the surrounding area. Segalowitz is a name that has been
associated with Bialystok. There was a Jewish poet known as the "great
Lamenter". He was Z. Segalowitz and he was >from Bialystok. He is
quoted in the Zabludow Yizkor book, ">from all tha was only a tear is
left about a nation that was destroyed by fire. May it grow and be
holy." His photograph as part of a group is in the Bialystoker Memorial
Book. The photo was taken at a "culture congress" in New York in 1948.

Tilford Bartman,