Multiple Name Changes #dna


Martin Davis (com)
 

David Goldman wrote: Although my paternal ancestral name in Ukraine was
KRASINSKY I have been unable to find any other Jews other than descendants
of my great-grandfather and his brothers who have or had the name Krasinsky
back in Ukraine or even a name very close to Krasinsky (other than names
such as Korsunsky). Now that I have done the FTDNA test and plugged into
the WIRTH project, I have been informed that my paternal line goes back to
one Rabbi Yaakov son of Yehuda WEIL in the 15th century. Now of course
there are people even today who still carry the name Weil. But I am
wondering whether the name KRASINSKY had in fact been adopted at some point
in the 18th or 19th century by possibly a single man called Weil...........

19th century Ukraine was either under Russian or Austro- Hungarian
tutelage. Each of the regions had their own rules applying to the formal
and legal adoption of names and by the 1820s that huge range of Jewish
family names which we know today were established official facts. Until
that time, in most of the Pale of Settlement, Jewish people had no need or
use for family names. When they were finally forced to adopt family names
those names were chosen, given or purchased and fell into various
categories (the simple conversion of the patronymic into a formal family
name, adoption of prestigious names, ornamental names, trade names, town
of origin names etc.). Town related family names (often with a suffix of
ski or sky) were indistinguishable >from non Jews names. In that context,
"Krasinski (sometimes spelled Krasinsky, if originally transliterated >from
Russian, Ukrainian or Belarusian) is a surname of Polish, or generally
Slavic, origin. In its feminine version, the Polish surname becomes
Krasinska, and the Russian or Belarusian surname may become Krasinskaya"
(see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krasinski).

There are often quoted exceptions to the non-adoption of family names,
the occasional 16th century Jew who had a status outside their community,
or a rabbinic line such as the Horowitz line. However, these were quite
rare occurrences and most are documented because of that special status.
This is not to say that Jews were solely reliant for their identification
of their 'shem hakodesh' given name combined with their patronymic (Sura
bat Moshe) but a further important distinction was also in play and that
was the use of the suffix Halevi or Hacohen (e.g. Sura bat Moshe Halevi)
to designated those claiming to be >from the lineage of the family of
Aaron, brother of Moshe. The YDNA research undertaken by Dr Doron Behar
and others into this priestly line of Levi
(see https://sites.google.com/site/levitedna/home) clearly shows a shared
descent between those Ashkenazi men who have an oral tradition of being
of Levites, reinforcing the tradition of a single line of decent >from a
common ancestor >from circa the 8th century C.E. Many of those men carry
the family name Levi or Levisohn or similar and it could be said that
these were the very first family names known to the Ashkenazi Jewish
communities but only for a minority.

The 'Levite DNA project' also identified a modal haplogroup for the
Ashkenazi Levites which is R-Y2619. Such work corroborates or challenges
family stories and that then comes back to David's received information
that his paternal line (YDNA) is derived >from Rabbi Yaakov son of Yehuda
WEIL. Rabbi Jakob Weil (the MaHaRIV), >from the town of Weil der Stadt,
Baden-W├╝rttemberg, Germany, was is claimed to be an Ashkenazi Levite
(read on https://www.jewishgen.org/Rabbinic/journal/weil2.htm and
https://www.jewishgen.org/Rabbinic/journal/weil5.gif ) which does not
square with the information that David got >from the WIRTH project; as that
project's YDNA haplogroup I believe is J-L556.

Martin Davis
London (UK)


David Goldman
 

Hello everybody.
Although my paternal ancestral name in Ukraine was KRASINSKY I have been
unable to find any other Jews other than descendants of my great-grandfather
and his brothers who have or had the name Krasinsky back in Ukraine or even
a name very close to Krasinsky (other than names such as Korsunsky). There
are names I have come across even more unusual than Krasinsky, so this
situation is probably not an anomaly. Anyway, this has led me to wonder
whether in fact the name had previously been something other than Krasinsky,
although I realize that many Ashkenazi Jews didn't have last names before
the 19th century (many of course did, such as my maternal ancestral name of
Shapiro).

Now that I have done the FTDNA test and plugged into the WIRTH project, I
have been informed that my paternal line goes back to one Rabbi Yaakov son
of Yehuda WEIL in the 15th century. Now of course there are people even
today who still carry the name Weil. But I am wondering whether the name
KRASINSKY had in fact been adopted at some point in the 18th or 19th century
by possibly a single man called Weil.

Of course I assume there are many reasons why people were changing names
along the line long before reaching Ellis Island, even among those who *did*
have last names prior to the 19th century. Of course I am simply
hypothesizing, and have no evidence for any of this in relation to the names
Weil and Krasinsky.
I'd enjoy reading anything others may have to add to this enigma and whether
in fact I may be on to something.

Thanks,
David Goldman
NYC