Naming a newborn after a sibling who died earlier #galicia


Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:03:28 UTC, abuwasta@yahoo.com (Abuwasta Abuwasta)
opined:

Dear Genners and Galicianers,
I am searching my maternal family KOENIGSBUCH from
Brzesko, Galicia and am making a steady progress.
Recently I came twice across a phenomenon of a
child(male) which died very early,within a year from
birth, and then the next child which was born was
given the same name.
I would like to hear how common such custom was,if at
all.
Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem
I have just such a case in my own Lomza-Gubernia family. My pgm had a
younger brother, known to my parents, named Hersz. According to the LDS
microfilms, there was indeed a brother of the same name, but he was a bit
older than my gm, a fact that had me going around in circles for a good two
years. Later it developed that my ggm, the mother of these three, had become
widowed shortly after the birth of my gm, and that the older Hersz had also
died. The younger one, offspring of a second marriage that I had not known
about and bearer of the recycled name, was therefore only the half brother
of my gm, not her brother as everyone in the family had thought for so many
years.
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

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GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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Mbgriffith@...
 

Our Stark family came >from Stanislau, and we have a death record for a
first born child and son, Selig, who was 8 years old, when he died on 20
February, 1884. Later, the 8th child and 5th son, born 1 January, 1893,
to Wolf Stark and Henzie Fitzig, was also named Selig. This is the only
case that I know of in this family.

However, both children were probably named for their maternal grandfather,
Selig Fitzig. The second Selig (later Sidney) survived to adulthood,
immigrated to the United States in 1907, settled in Pittsburgh, and was
my wife, Julie's, grandfather.

Michael B. Griffith
Loveland, Ohio


Connie Fisher Newhan
 

In a message dated 6/10/2005 12:47:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,
abuwasta@yahoo.com writes:


Recently I came twice across a phenomenon of a child (male) which died
very early, within a year >from birth, and then the next child which
was born was given the same name.

I would like to hear how common such custom was, if at all.

-------------------------
Good question. I'd be interested in hearting the answers as I've come
across the same thing or variants.....like Fajgla Sora died and then
the next child is named Sora Fajgla.


Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
Corona, California
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER, FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland),S(Z)PRINGER,
ROTHSTEIN, HAMBURGER(Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn, Galacia)
BARSKA/BARSKY/BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN (Veliuona,Kaunas),
KAHN/KOHN/COHN/CAHN, FRIEDSAM (Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD), BOHORODCZANER
(Potok Zloty, Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS, RABINOWITZ,
GERSHIKEVICH


Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners and Galicianers,
I am searching my maternal family KOENIGSBUCH from
Brzesko, Galicia and am making a steady progress.
Recently I came twice across a phenomenon of a
child(male) which died very early,within a year from
birth, and then the next child which was born was
given the same name.
I would like to hear how common such custom was,if at
all.
Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


Beverly Shulster <gettingbttr@...>
 

Abuwasta Abuwasta wrote:

Dear Genners and Galicianers,
I am searching my maternal family KOENIGSBUCH from
Brzesko, Galicia and am making a steady progress.
Recently I came twice across a phenomenon of a
child(male) which died very early,within a year from
birth, and then the next child which was born was
given the same name.
I would like to hear how common such custom was,if at
all.
Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem
My mother grew up with a cousin who bore the name of his deceased older
brother. I suspect, however, based on naming conventions at the time,
that the renaming was less in memory of the first infant and more in
honor of the grandfather who the first child was named for in the first
place.

This was in Holland, between 1910-20.

Beverly Shulster
Yehud, Israel


Mimi Katz <GeveretKatz@...>
 

In my family, I believe the second child was named after the same ancestor -
not the previous child.

Mimi Katz, Chicago

Recently I came twice across a phenomenon of a
child(male) which died very early,within a year from
birth, and then the next child which was born was
given the same name.


Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners and Galicianers,
I would like to thank all you who responded either
privately or via the different lists to my query. I
got more than 20 answers and I believe that it is my
humble duty to summarize them for the sake of all of
us.The Jewishgen archives contain some references to
this issue but the responsa I got are more focused.
Almost all those who responded were acquainted with
this phenomenon/practice and came across it,however
they differ in their iterpretation.
Few made the comment that because of the bad fortune
people would refrain >from renaming a newborn after a
sibling who died earlier.
However, the majority of those who responded made the
comment that traditionally a newborn was named after a
relative who passed away. It was a Mitzvah to do it.
If a baby who carried this name died,they would name
the next one after the same relative,sometimes addind
an additional name or a "kinui".
Whatever the reasoning,the net result is that one
finds in the same household successive children with
the same given name!!! More important,it is not a
mistake of the registering clerk and it vshould not
cofuse us.
I hope it helps.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

--- Abuwasta Abuwasta <abuwasta@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Genners and Galicianers,
I am searching my maternal family KOENIGSBUCH from
Brzesko, Galicia and am making a steady progress.
Recently I came twice across a phenomenon of a
child(male) which died very early,within a year from
birth, and then the next child which was born was
given the same name.
I would like to hear how common such custom was,if
at
all.
Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

I would like to thank all you who responded either
privately or via the different lists to my query. I
got more than 20 answers and I believe that it is my
humble duty to summarize them for the sake of all of
us.The Jewishgen archives contain some references to
this issue but the responsa I got are more focused.
Almost all those who responded were acquainted with
this phenomenon/practice and came across it,however
they differ in their iterpretation.

Few made the comment that because of the bad fortune
people would refrain >from renaming a newborn after a
sibling who died earlier.

However, the majority of those who responded made the
comment that traditionally a newborn was named after a
relative who passed away. It was a Mitzvah to do it.
If a baby who carried this name died,they would name
the next one after the same relative,sometimes addind
an additional name or a "kinui".

Whatever the reasoning,the net result is that one
finds in the same household successive children with
the same given name!!! More important,it is not a
mistake of the registering clerk and it should not
confuse us.

I hope it helps.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

--- Abuwasta Abuwasta <abuwasta@yahoo.com> wrote:

I am searching my maternal family KOENIGSBUCH from
Brzesko, Galicia and am making a steady progress.
Recently I came twice across a phenomenon of a
child(male) which died very early,within a year from
birth, and then the next child which was born was
given the same name.
I would like to hear how common such custom was,if
at
all.
Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners and Galicianers,
I would like to thank all you who responded either
privately or via the different lists to my query. I
got more than 20 answers and I believe that it is my
humble duty to summarize them for the sake of all of
us.The Jewishgen archives contain some references to
this issue but the responsa I got are more focused.
Almost all those who responded were acquainted with
this phenomenon/practice and came across it,however
they differ in their iterpretation.
Few made the comment that because of the bad fortune
people would refrain >from renaming a newborn after a
sibling who died earlier.
However, the majority of those who responded made the
comment that traditionally a newborn was named after a
relative who passed away. It was a Mitzvah to do it.
If a baby who carried this name died,they would name
the next one after the same relative,sometimes addind
an additional name or a "kinui".
Whatever the reasoning,the net result is that one
finds in the same household successive children with
the same given name!!! More important,it is not a
mistake of the registering clerk and it should not
cofuse us.
I hope it helps.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem