Galicians in Austro-Hungarian army? #galicia


Chalom Schirman <capitetes@...>
 

So I have finally met my first cousin in Warsaw where I am right now.

And I have learned that our grandfather served in the "garde-
frontieres" of the Austro-Hungarian empire. Any one know if there
are any online archives and/or databases I can consult concerning
Galician soldiers in the Austrian army?

Rivka Schirman nee Moscisker
Paris, France (temporarily in Israel)


Adelle Gloger
 

Rivka Schirman <capitetes@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

<<...I have learned that our grandfather served in the "garde-
frontieres" of the Austro-Hungarian empire. Any one know if there
are any online archives and/or databases I can consult concerning
Galician soldiers in the Austrian army? >>

I'm not sure if this is what Rivka is looking for, but there is a
website "Austro-Hungarian Land Forces 1848-1918" The URL is:
http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/index.htm

There is considerable information here. Hopefully, it will help.

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Cleveland, Ohio
agloger@aol.com


Fay Bussgang <fbussgang@...>
 

Here are the main places for military records. All have websites:

1. Centralne Archiwum Wojskowe (Central Military Archive),
ul. Czerwonych Beretow bl. 124, 00-910 Warszawa-Rembertow.
Tel. 48/22/681-32-02, Fax 681-46-37. <www.caw.wp.mil.pl/>.
-- Information about those who served in the Polish army.

2. Ministry of Defence (Polish Section)
DR2c, Bourne Avenue, Hayes, Middlesex UB3 1RF, England.
Tel. 020 8573 3831, ext 335. <www.mod.uk>.
-- Info on those who served in Polish army in the West during
World War II (Anders Army, British army, etc.).

3. Osterreich Staatsarchiv/Kriegsarchiv,
Nottendorfergasse 2, A-1030 Vienna, Austria,
Tel. 43/1/79540-0. <www.oesta.gv.at/ebestand/ekv/efr1_kv.htm>.
-- Information about those who served in the Austrian army.

Fay Bussgang
Lexington, MA

Rivka Schirman <capitetes@wanadoo.fr> wrote...

... Any one know if there are any online archives and/or databases
I can consult concerning Galician soldiers in the Austrian army?...


Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Fay Bussgang of Lexington, MA wrote:

Here are the main places for military records:
1. ...
2. ...
3. Osterreich Staatsarchiv/Kriegsarchiv,
Nottendorfergasse 2, A-1030 Vienna, Austria,
Tel. 43/1/79540-0. <www.oesta.gv.at/ebestand/ekv/efr1_kv.htm>.
-- Information about those who served in the Austrian army.
Do not expect to get any information about serving Galician
soldiers >from this source unless they were Generals or major
military medal winners or Galicians who were resident {zustandig]
in Vienna itself or perhaps serving in a local regiment in
Vienna/Austria. Any data about Galician soldiers, who were actually
from Galicia, was repatriated >from Vienna after WW1 [probably to
Lwow] and is suspected to have been lost/destroyed.

Any data available in Vienna is expensive to retrieve. Personal
research, if you stay in Vienna for weeks and can read old
documents, might reveal data for military historians but *not*
personal records.

I have written about this *many* times before on jri-pl - see
jri-pl message archives of 18 May 2005, 3 June 2005, 17 June 2006
and especially 22 Aug 2006.

Celia Male [U.K.]

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Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

After much correspondence with Austrian military sources (before the
Internet) and the assistance of a military researcher, I learned
that after the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the
military records of its constituent parts were sent to the
respective countries, i.e., Poland, etc.

Unfortunately, I never was able to locate records for my grandfather
either as an officer or ordinary soldier. However, I do remember
individuals who were able to locate the military files of their
relatives.

There appear to be more resources on the Internet now regarding
military history and records since the time when I was first doing
research. In regard to the Jewish participation in Austro-Hungarian
military affairs, for instance, there were found to be
approximately 10,000 - 20,000 Jews who served between 1859-1866 in
the Habsburg army.

Further, the Joint Army in 1872 had 12,471 Jewish enlisted men in
the reserve/active duty and by 1902 there were 59,784. The rank and
file in comparison declined by 1911 which may be accounted for by
mass emigration to America and other places.

The Austro-Hungarian Army had a one-year volunteer service and when
statistics were first kept in 1897, it was found that there were
1,993 Jewish reserve officers and 680 Jewish reserve military
officials. So, in 1897, this meant that every 5th reserve officer
and every 4th reserve military official was Jewish.

These fascinating statistics and more can be found in "Beyond
Nationalism: a social and political history of the Habsburg Officer
Corps 1848-1918" by Istvan Deak which can be found by Googling it
on the Internet.

Another book which can be Googled on the Internet is entitled:

"Jews and Other Ethnic Groups in a Multi-Ethnic World" edited by
Ezra Mendelsohn, et al. One of the chapters by Erwin A. Schmidl of
the Austrian Army Museum, Vienna, discusses Jews in the
Austro-Hungarian Armed Forces, 1867-1918. It is a fascinating look
at the part played by Jewish soldiers in the Empire.

It is a wonderful asset to now be able to actually read many of
these resources directly on the Internet which are in English.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net

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Eleanor Platt QC <axvq70@...>
 

My father-in-law was in the Austro-Hungarian army in the first world
war having been born in 1897 in that part of Austro Hungary which is
Galicia (south of Dolina).

There was an excellent address at the New York Conference in the
1990's by an Austrian researcher (not Jewish) and I regret that I
cannot recall his name, about Jews in the German army in WW1. Hope
this is useful.

Eleanor Lind
London