Is Additional Information Found in Archives That's Not Found in Tarnow PSA Records? #galicia


Mark Halpern <willie46@...>
 

Dear Linda:

Although I am not familiar with the Tarnow records, I am familiar
with Galician vital records >from many other towns.

First you need to split these records into two categories -- those
before 1877 and those starting in 1877. Before 1877, there were
no government regulations that standardized what was to be
captured on Jewish vital records. In 1877 and thereafter, the
fields required in vital records were standardized. JRI-Poland
provides some examples of the column headings at
<http://www.jri-poland.org/galicia/GalicianVitalRecords_Titles_Nov2002.pdf>

Before 1877, there was no consistency, but we know there was
less information than in later records. For births, most records
included the father's full name and the mother's given name.
Sometimes records also included the given name of the father's
father and/or mother's father. For marriages, the parents of the
bride and groom are usually shown although not the mother's
maiden name. For deaths, only for children was a parent's name
usually recorded.

Starting in 1877, birth records included the names of the
mother's parents, but not the father's parents. Marriages
recorded the parents of both the bride and groom, including the
maiden name of the mother. And deaths again did not record
parent's names except for the death of children.

Since there was no consistency in recording of names, obtaining
examples >from other researchers for the type of record and the
year of your interest is the best way to find out exactly what was
recorded. All the examples I provide are the usual content based
on my years of experience with Galician records as an Archive
Coordinator for JRI-Poland.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland

Linda Silverman Shefler <linda.shefler@gmail.com> wrore:

Most of these specific records found in JRI Poland do not list
the names of parents (I am looking specifically for HANDGRIFF).
Does that mean that the parent's names are not included with
the original records as well, or does it mean that I would need
to send to the Archive to get that information? I am asking
because in a few cases the parent's names are mentioned.

Tarnow PSA
B 1850,54,56,58,59,62-67,70-97,1900-04 MD 1877-1904
Krakow Wojewodztwa / Krakow Province
(records in Fond 276 in Krakow Archive Tarnow Branch)


Linda Shefler
 

Most of these specific records found in JRI Poland do not list
the names of parents (I am looking specifically for HANDGRIFF).
Does that mean that the parent's names are not included with
the original records as well, or does it mean that I would need
to send to the Archive to get that information? I am asking
because in a few cases the parent's names are mentioned.

Tarnow PSA
B 1850,54,56,58,59,62-67,70-97,1900-04 MD 1877-1904
Krakow Wojewodztwa / Krakow Province
(records in Fond 276 in Krakow Archive Tarnow Branch)

As always, many thanks for your help.

Linda Silverman Shefler
Hod Ha Sharon
linda.shefler@gmail.com


Howard Fink <HowGen@...>
 

The data we have for Tarnow is >from three main sources:

1) LDS microfilms of vital records, approx 1808 - 1860,
transcribed by our volunteer group,
2) PSA indices of vital records, mostly 1870's - 1905,
3) PSA indices of School records, various years.

The specific record set you are referencing is the second group.
For this set the parents' names are usually available in the
actual records. The indices for these records were created by
the Polish State Archives (PSA) for JRI-Poland using the
contributions we received >from many donations:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/status.htm#Tarnow

Since we did not have direct access to the actual records I
cannot say that all records have this additional information, but
I can tell you that the PSA did not enter any of this extra
information in the indices they generated for us for any of the
years prior to 1900, but they did enter it >from that year
forward.This was the case for Births, Deaths & Marriages. For
those years, out of almost 2200 Births there are only 3 without
the mother's name. Records that I have personally ordered
always contained parents' information. These records are all in
tabular form - there are no long paragraph style entries, so it
is not difficult to read them.

We would, of course, like to add the extra information to the
indices of the years before 1900. When the mother's maiden
name is present it results in more connections being found in
your search results for a specific surname. Future contributions
may allow us to add this information.

Howard Fink
Tarnow Archives Coordinator
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland

On Jan 26, 2011, Linda Shefler wrote:

Most of these specific records found in JRI Poland do not list the
names of parents (I am looking specifically for HANDGRIFF). Does that
mean that the parent's names are not included with the original
records as well, or does it mean that I would need to send to the
Archive to get that information? I am asking because in a few cases
the parent's names are mentioned.

Tarnow PSA B 1850,54,56,58,59,62-67,70-97,1900-04 MD 1877-1904
Krakow Wojewodztwa / Krakow Province
(records in Fond 276 in Krakow Archive Tarnow Branch)


Howard Fink <HowGen@...>
 

The data we have for Tarnow is >from three main sources:

1) LDS microfilms of vital records, approx 1808 - 1860, transcribed by
our volunteer group,
2) PSA indices of vital records, mostly 1870's - 1905,
3) PSA indices of School records, various years.

The specific record set you are referencing is the second group. For
this set the parents' names are usually available in the actual records.
The indices for these records were created by the Polish State Archives
(PSA) for JRI-Poland using the contributions we received >from many
donations:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/status.htm#Tarnow

Since we did not have direct access to the actual records I cannot say
that all records have this additional information, but I can tell you
that the PSA did not enter any of this extra information in the indices
they generated for us for any of the years prior to 1900, but they did
enter it >from that year forward. This was the case for Births, Deaths &
Marriages. For those years, out of almost 2200 Births there are only 3
without the mother's name. Records that I have personally ordered always
contained parents' information. These records are all in tabular form -
there are no long paragraph style entries, so it is not difficult to
read them.

We would, of course, like to add the extra information to the indices of
the years before 1900. When the mother's maiden name is present it
results in more connections being found in your search results for a
specific surname. Future contributions may allow us to add this
information.

Howard Fink
Tarnow Archives Coordinator
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland

On Jan 26, 2011, Linda Shefler wrote:

Most of these specific records found in JRI Poland do not list the
names of parents (I am looking specifically for HANDGRIFF). Does that
mean that the parent's names are not included with the original
records as well, or does it mean that I would need to send to the
Archive to get that information? I am asking because in a few cases
the parent's names are mentioned.

Tarnow PSA B 1850,54,56,58,59,62-67,70-97,1900-04 MD 1877-1904
Krakow Wojewodztwa / Krakow Province
(records in Fond 276 in Krakow Archive Tarnow Branch)


Mark Halpern <willie46@...>
 

Dear Linda:

Although I am not familiar with the Tarnow records, I am familiar with
Galician vital records >from many other towns.

First you need to split these records into two categories -- those before
1877 and those starting in 1877. Before 1877, there were no government
regulations that standardized what was to be captured on Jewish vital
records. In 1877 and thereafter, the fields required in vital records were
standardized. JRI-Poland provides some examples of the column headings at
http://www.jri-poland.org/galicia/GalicianVitalRecords_Titles_Nov2002.pdf

Before 1877, there was no consistency, but we know there was less
information than in later records. For births, most records included the
father's full name and the mother's given name. Sometimes records also
included the given name of the father's father and/or mother's father. For
marriages, the parents of the bride and groom are usually shown although not
the mother's maiden name. For death's, only for children was a parent's name
usually recorded.

Starting in 1877, birth records included the names of the mother's parents,
but not the father's parents. Marriages recorded the parents of both the
bride and groom, including the maiden name of the mother. And deaths again
did not record parent's names except for the death of children.

Since there was no consistency in recording of names, obtaining examples
from other researchers for the type of record and the year of your interest
is the best way to find out exactly what was recorded. All the examples I
provide are the usual content based on my years of experience with Galician
records as an Archive Coordinator for JRI-Poland.

Mark Halpern
AGAD Archive Coordinator

----- Original Message -----
Most of these specific records found in JRI Poland do not list the
names of parents (I am looking specifically for HANDGRIFF). Does that
mean that the parent's names are not included with the original
records as well, or does it mean that I would need to send to the
Archive to get that information? I am asking because in a few cases
the parent's names are mentioned.

Tarnow PSA B 1850,54,56,58,59,62-67,70-97,1900-04 MD 1877-1904
Krakow Wojewodztwa / Krakow Province
(records in Fond 276 in Krakow Archive Tarnow Branch)

As always, many thanks for your help.

Linda Silverman Shefler
Hod Ha Sharon
linda.shefler@gmail.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The JRI-Poland database contains indices to records,
not the records themselves. The indices vary in the amount of information
they contain.