*Re: Center for Jewish History #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>

Dear all,

With all due respect to Louis and to his extensive culture and knowledge,
IMHO (in my humble opinion) there isn't such a thing as Hungarian Jew. For
that matter, there isn't such a thing like a Czech Jew, a Russian Jew, a
Polish Jew, etc, etc. The simple fact which is being overlooked here is
that in all the countries mentioned, plus many other in Europe, Jews were
considered untermenchen (below humans) and *still* are not accepted as full
fledged citizens.

Despite being born in Slovakia (Kosice), I consider myself a Brazilian Jew,
because in this country they accepted me as a citizen and I have never been
harassed. But above all, I am a Jewish Jew - a Yid!

If you allow me a suggestion, lets call ourselves "Jews who lived in the
territory of Hungary before 1919" or something similar.


at 06/09/98 - 10:03 -0300, Louis Schonfeld wrote:

In the geographical areas that concern our SIG, Jews residing there prior to 1919 were considered by others and for the most part by themselves to be Hungararian Jews.

At first glance this may appear to be a rather lame definition. The descendants of Jews who lived in areas that were once part of Hungary and that were later transferred to other countries are free to call themselves what they wish. However, I think it would behoove them to ask the question, if my parents and grandparents etc. were Hungarian Jews what makes me a Czech Jew, Ukrainian Jew, Romanian Jew or a Slovak Jew. There are in fact Czech, Ukrainian, Romanian and Slovak Jews who can legitimately make such a claim , however, in my opinion that designation should be justified by the historical facts, and not because of a personal desire.


I am an American who is Jewish, and I am a Jew who is an American. I don't
need any one to give me the right to be who I am. No one can take who I am
from me. I am. It doesn't matter what my name is. I am. No matter how I am
hurt, I hurt. It is not right to attempt to separate the parts that make up
the total.
I have the opinion that G-d has given us the right to be as we were born and
as what we are in our minds and hearts. So to further process my idea: If a
person is Hungarian, he is. If he is Jewish, he is. Freedom means not having
to choose between the two, nor put one first. Freedom means not having to
separate ourselves. I think people must start protecting the freedom of all
people to be who and what we want to be. What once was, was bad. Let's move
forward and empower the movement of free choice for all.
I am writing because of Tom's words. I am so sorry for what he has
experienced. I am upset that choices were forced upon him.

Regards to all,
Linda Cohen