KZ destinations from Hungary #hungary


Judy Young <judy.young@...>
 

Hi,
re Tom's note about where most people >from Hungary were deported to:

Most people (that is, most of the roughly 430,000 who were deported >from the
provinces before July 9th 1944, when deportations were stopped by Horthy)
were in fact taken to Auschwitz. The exceptions were a few trains which,
because of bombed railway lines, were taken to Strasshof. However, not all
the people who had been taken to Auschwitz stayed there. Most were gassed on
arrival, but some were transferred to other camps, and some who had survived
Auschwitz till the camp was emptied just before the Soviet army liberated it
in January 1945, were moved to other camps to the West such as Gross Rosen
and others. Many of these people died on the forced marches.

Also, many of the Budapest Jews (who had not been deported with the others
between May and July 1944) were marched on foot to Austria in October and
November of 1945, and quite a number of these ended up in Mauthhausen.

There was also the "Kasztner" train which took about 1600 prominent, or
rich, or leadership position Jews to freedom to Switzerland, although these
people first spent several months in Bergen Belsen. This train left Budapest
on June 30th 1944.

Randolph Braham, as usual, deals with this in detail. Hope this is helpful.

Regards,
Judy


Gabor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

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Judy Young schrieb:

Hi,
re Tom's note about where most people >from Hungary were deported to:

Most people (that is, most of the roughly 430,000 who were deported fro=
m the
provinces before July 9th 1944, when deportations were stopped by Horth=
y) were
in fact taken to Auschwitz. The exceptions were a few trains which, bec=
ause of
bombed railway lines, were taken to Strasshof.
As a not historian I would like to support my arguments with extracts fro=
m well
known books of the Shoa. The text below is an extract >from R.L. Braham=92=
s book
=84The Holocaust in Hungary=94, to show that the Austrian transports were=
more or
less planned and not the consequence of destroyed transport utilities.

The Strasshof Transports.

The Jews who had lived in Gendarmerie Districts V and VI fared relatively=
better
than their counterparts in the other provincial gendarmerie districts. Th=
is was
due to a combination of good luck and a new element introduced in the so-=
called
blood for trucks negotiations between Rudolph (Rezsoe) Kasztner, the lead=
er of
the Budapest Relief and Rescue Committee of Budapest (Vaadah), and the SS=
=2E On
June 14, during the deportations >from Zone III, Eichmann unexpectedly inf=
ormed
Kasztner that he was willing to allow thirty thousand Hungarian Jews to b=
e "laid
on ice" in Austria as a demonstration of his goodwill. He demanded, as
counterdemonstration of goodwill, an immediate payment of five million Sw=
iss
francs. As originally envisioned, half of the thirty thousand Jews were t=
o come
from Budapest and half >from the provinces. Kasztner revealed the details =
of the
new Eichmann offer to the Jewish Council that very day.

Eichmann's offer was based on instructions he had received >from Emst
Kaltenbrunner. The head of the RSHA, as the evidence reveals, was besiege=
d by
Austrian entrepreneurs operating war industries and by government officia=
ls,
including SS-Brigadefuehrer Karl Blaschke, the mayor of Vienna, with requ=
ests to
provide them with desperately needed slave labor. Since Hungarian Jewry w=
as at
that time the one still relatively untapped reservoir of Jewish labor,
Kaltenbrunner requested that Eichmann have a few transports of deportees
diverted to Austria .

The selection of the Jews for the Austrian transports appears to have bee=
n the
responsibility of the Zionist or other well known Jewish leaders in the
concentration and entrainment centers in the affected zones, acting on
instructions received >from Kasztner.

Kasztner had expected that the first trainload of Jews would be leaving f=
rom
Gyoer and Komarom, the areas >from which Jews were being deported at the t=
ime.
Although this plan reportedly had the approval of Eichmann, all the trans=
ports
from Gendarmerie Districts II and III, including of course those >from Gyo=
er and
Komarom, were routinely directed to Auschwitz, presumably due to the iner=
tia of
some of the officers in charge of the transports. Eichmann decided to com=
pensate
Kasztner with a transport >from Zone IV.

It was during the deportations >from this zone of anti-Jewish operations o=
n June
25-28 that six or seven transports were directed to Strasshof, a camp nea=
r
Vienna. The approximately twenty thousand Jews in these transports came m=
ostly
from ghettos in Gendarmerie District IV
After their arrival in Strasshof during the first days of July, the Jews =
were
sent to labor in industrial and agricultural enterprises in a number of
communities in eastern Austria, including Gmund, Weitra, Wiener-Neustadt,=
and
Neunkirchen. Many of them worked under the auspices of the Todt Organizat=
ion.
Their treatment varied with the disposition of the individual employers a=
nd
foremen. On the whole they were often treated quite humanely and about 75=

percent of them, including children and the elderly, survived the war.
Organizationally, they were under the control and command of a central of=
fice in
Vienna headed by SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Hermann Alois Krumey, a leading =
member
of the Eichmann-Sonderkommando in Hungary.

*****************************************************************

Maybe some additional information >from the Hungarian edition of Braham=92=
s book:

About 700 Jews >from the 25. June transport >from Bacsalmas are joined to a=
train
to Strasshof
25. June some 700 Jews >from the vicinity of Bekescsaba are sent to Strass=
hof,
the rest of Bekescsaba to Auschwitz.
26 & 27 June 2 transports >from Debrecen 6841 person are sent to Austria
The 2nd and 3rd transport >from Szeged 27. & 28. June with 5739 person are=
sent
to Strasshof (the 2nd replaced a transport >from Kecskemet which landed in=

Auschwitz)
2567 Person >from Szolnok was sent to Strasshof on 25. June.

I have to add to the above, that during this Strasshof transports the fol=
lowing
trains passed Kassa/Kosice without beeing hindered because of bombed rail=
ways.
25. June Debrecen (2286 Person)
26. June Szeged (3199 Person)
27. June Debrecen (3842); Kecskemet (2642); Nagyvarad (2819); Bekescsaba =
(3118 -
that was my train)
28. June Bacsalmas (2737)
29. June Kecskemet (2790); Szolnok (2038); Debrecen (3026)

Another wave of people went by forced marches after the arrowcross tooke =
the
country over, around 8. November direction Hegyeshalom.


However, not all the people who had been taken to Auschwitz stayed ther=
e. Most
were gassed on arrival, but some were transferred to other camps, and s=
ome who
had survived Auschwitz till the camp was emptied just before the Soviet=
army
liberated it in January 1945, were moved to other camps to the West suc=
h as
Gross Rosen and others. Many of these people died on the forced marches=
=2E

The majority (80-90%) of the arrivals >from Hungary were murdered at arriv=
al, the
men in military age were drown into forced labor, so the transport consis=
ted
mainly children under 16/18, men over 48/50 and women of all ages.
Auschwitz/Birkenau with it 39 subcamps had officialy the status of a dea=
th
(extermination camp), working camp with Buna/Monowitz, industrialplants f=
or IG
Farben, Union Factory, Babice, Blechhammer, Charlottegrube, Gleiwitz etc.=
But
also a transit camp, a high percentage of the "lucky ones" who survived t=
he
first days, were sent to different camps, only a small percentage remaine=
d
longer in the camp. I have a transport list (with my mother) to Stutthof,=
when
on the 25/27. September 4501 women were sent >from Auschwitz to Stutthof, =
this
list was destroyed in Auschwitz but it exists in Stutthof. The Selections=
for
other camps as well as for murdering the weaks belonged to the weakly rou=
tine in
the camp.

Also, many of the Budapest Jews (who had not been deported with the oth=
ers
between May and July 1944) were marched on foot to Austria in October a=
nd
November of 1945, and quite a number of these ended up in Mauthhausen.

There was also the "Kasztner" train which took about 1600 prominent, or=
rich, or leadership position Jews to freedom to Switzerland, although t=
hese
people first spent several months in Bergen Belsen. This train left Bud=
apest
on June 30th 1944.

Randolph Braham, as usual, deals with this in detail. Hope this is help=
ful.

Regards,
Judy
Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


Henny Kestenbaum <henimiki@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gabor Hirsch <hirsch@cyberlink.ch>
To: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Cc: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: June 12, 2000 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: KZ destinations >from Hungary
I am trying to trace the fate of may maternal grandfather and family who
have been deported >from Chust/Khust in 1944, family GLUCK. Any information
about the destination of the transports >from Chust would be greatly
appreciated. Many thanks, Henny Kestenbaum Toronto


Mark Benisz <MBenisz@...>
 

I was hoping someone might be able to help me now that we are on this
subject.
My father wasa child of 5 years when the Nazi's invaded his town of
Esztergom. I believe that the Jews of that town were deported to Komarom and
from there to Auschwitz. Only 50 of those Jews (out of 500) survived the
war, may father and his step-mother included.
My father remen=mbers being in a camp but does not know which one.Were any
records kept? I need this information because I am applying for
compensation.
Thank you,
Mark Benisz
New York City


Gabor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

Mark Benisz schrieb:

I was hoping someone might be able to help me now that we are on this
subject.
My father wasa child of 5 years when the Nazi's invaded his town of
Esztergom. I believe that the Jews of that town were deported to Komarom and
from there to Auschwitz. Only 50 of those Jews (out of 500) survived the war,
may father and his step-mother included.
My father remen=mbers being in a camp but does not know which one.Were any
records kept? I need this information because I am applying for compensation.
Thank you,
Mark Benisz
New York City
Esztergom was together with other settlements (Acs, Baracska, Biatorbagy,
Bicske, Ercsi, Esztergom, Felsogalla, Galanta, Guta, Kajaszo, Kisber, Kolta,
Martonvasar, Oroszlany, Perbete, Pusztazamor, Soskut, Sza'r, Tarnok, Tata,
Tatabanya and Vereb) collected in Komarom, according Braham. On the 13 and 16
June in 2 transports 5500 Jews were deported. They passed Kassa/Kosice on the 13
June (2790 P) on the 16 (2673 P). On the other side it must be a miracle if a 5
year old Jewish boy (without being a twin) survives Auschwitz. Try ITS in
Arolsen, in many cases they have documents.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


Gabor Hirsch <hirsch@...>
 

Henny Kestenbaum schrieb:

I am trying to trace the fate of may maternal grandfather and family who
have been deported >from Chust/Khust in 1944, family GLUCK. Any information
about the destination of the transports >from Chust would be greatly
appreciated. Many thanks, Henny Kestenbaum Toronto
I presume that Chust/Khust ist identical with Huszt. According Braham (sorry
to quote him to often, but he gives some information about the majority of the
settlements in the Shoa period)

Huszt. A helyi zsidokon kivuel Alsoszineveri, Gernyesi es Varjasi jarasbol -
toebbek kozot Alsohidegpatak es Eotvoesfalva kozsegbol - tovabbi 5000 zsidot
gyujtottek ossze a Csoregreti, Izai es Kossuth utcaban. A zsido Tanacs tagjai:
Lazarovits elnok, Rosenbaum, dr. Hegedus, dr Polgar es Markovits. A huszton
osszegyujtottek kozul 11'000 zsidot majus 24. es junius 6 kozott negy
transzportban deportaltak.

Huszt. beside the local Jews, >from the district Alsoszineva, Gernyes and
Varjas and >from the villages Alsohidegpatak and Eotvosfalv - an additional
5000 person were collected in the streets Csoregreti, Izai and Kossuth. The
members of the Jewish Council were: president: Lazarevits, Rosenbaum, dr.
Hegedus, dr. Polgar and Markovits. The 11000 Jews collected in Huszt were
deported between 24 May and 6. June in four transports.

The transports passed Kassa/Kosice 24. May (3328 Person), 26. May (3249 P), 2.
June (2396 P), 6. June (1852 P).

I hope you can follow my English, I am uneasy sometimes to send the message to
the whole H-SIG or just the interested person, I believe that others might be
also interested on this Holocaust related information.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch