MASZARFALVA, HUNGARY #hungary


Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@...>
 

Dear Group,.

Has anyone heard of this Maszarfalva, Hungary? I found it on a passenger
list featuring Rosa Grosz. If this is the right person, it could possibly
be near the Romanian border because her sister married a man >from Nyirbator.

Thanks for any help that can be given.

Pat


Vivian Kahn
 

Maszarfalva was in Felvidek district of Bereg megye. Now Nehrove,
Ukraine.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Dear Group,.

Has anyone heard of this Maszarfalva, Hungary? I found it on a
passenger
list featuring Rosa Grosz. If this is the right person, it could
possibly
be near the Romanian border because her sister married a man >from
Nyirbator.

Thanks for any help that can be given.

Pat


Peter <thidas@...>
 

Masz=E1rfalva, Russian village in Bereg County; in the 1830s 20 Jews =20
lived there, estate of Count Sch=F6rnborn located here; ppl mainly =20
Greek Orthodox.

Peter
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On 8-Feb-06, at 11:17 PM, Patricia J Weisshaus wrote:

Dear Group,.

Has anyone heard of this Maszarfalva, Hungary? I found it on a =20
passenger list featuring Rosa Grosz. If this is the right person, =20
it could possibly be near the Romanian border because her sister =20
married a man >from Nyirbator.

Thanks for any help that can be given.

Pat


tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

there is a town called masza'rfalva in the munkacs district of bereg megye. see: <http://www.radixindex.com/cgi-bin/hn1913.cgi?place=maszar>.



....... tom klein, toronto

Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@earthlink.net> wrote:

Has anyone heard of this Maszarfalva, Hungary? I found it on a passenger
list featuring Rosa Grosz. If this is the right person, it could possibly
be near the Romanian border because her sister married a man >from Nyirbator.


Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@...>
 

Thanks to everyone who told me where the village is located. I did try
Jewishgen, but I didn't find it then.

Pat

At 01:29 AM 2/9/2006, vkahn@kmort.com wrote:
Maszarfalva was in Felvidek district of Bereg megye. Now Nehrove, Ukraine.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA


Dear Group,.

Has anyone heard of this Maszarfalva, Hungary? I found it on a passenger
list featuring Rosa Grosz. If this is the right person, it could possibly
be near the Romanian border because her sister married a man >from Nyirbator.

Thanks for any help that can be given.

Pat


Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@...>
 

Again, thanks to all that responded to my original message.

Here's the problem: on the passenger manifests, Roza Grosz is going to the
home of her brother-in-law, atyas Weiszhaus. Her sister is Matgassac Grosz
Weiszhauz. Roza says her birthplace is Masza'rfalva and her sister, in
another passenger manifest, says she is going to her husband, Matyas, and
she is born in Ramocsahaza. Are the two villages near each other? Roza
seems to be the older of the two.

I'm still tring to figure out where the name Matgassac comes from. Someone
else has checked this name in the passenger manifest and says I've got the
correct spelling. In another place she is listed as Matgasie.

If anyone has any iinformation on my two problems, I would appreciate any
help I can get.

Pat

At 09:43 AM 2/10/2006, tom klein wrote:
there is a town called masza'rfalva in the munkacs district of bereg
megye. see: <http://www.radixindex.com/cgi-bin/hn1913.cgi?place=maszar>.
....... tom klein, toronto
Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@earthlink.net> wrote:

Has anyone heard of this Maszarfalva, Hungary? I found it on a passenger
list featuring Rosa Grosz. If this is the right person, it could possibly
be near the Romanian border because her sister married a man >from Nyirbator.


Peter <thidas@...>
 

The correct spelling is Romocsah E1za. There is a village in Szabolcs County named Ramocsahaza but I presumed you are looking for the =20
former which is in Bereg County.

Peter

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On 11-Feb-06, at 2:31 PM, Patricia J Weisshaus wrote:

Again, thanks to all that responded to my original message.

Here's the problem: on the passenger manifests, Roza Grosz is going to the home of her brother-in-law, atyas Weiszhaus. Her sister is =20
Matgassac Grosz Weiszhauz. Roza says her birthplace is Masza'rfalva and her sister, in another passenger manifest, says she is going to =20=
her husband, Matyas, and she is born in Ramocsahaza. Are the two villages near each other? Roza seems to be the older of the two.

I'm still tring to figure out where the name Matgassac comes from. Someone else has checked this name in the passenger manifest and =20
says I've got the correct spelling. In another place she is listed as Matgasie.

If anyone has any iinformation on my two problems, I would appreciate any help I can get.

Pat

At 09:43 AM 2/10/2006, tom klein wrote:
there is a town called masza'rfalva in the munkacs district of bereg megye. see: <http://www.radixindex.com/cgi-bin/hn1913.cgi?=20
place=3Dmaszar>.
....... tom klein, toronto
Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@earthlink.net> wrote:

Has anyone heard of this Maszarfalva, Hungary? I found it on a passenger
list featuring Rosa Grosz. If this is the right person, it could possibly
be near the Romanian border because her sister married a man >from Nyirbator.


tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

i've never heard of a name like "matgassac" or "matgasie". could it be a misreading of something else? have you looked at the image file of the actual manifest?

it is, however, probably not a coincidence that her husband's name was ma'tya's. i would hazard a guess that what is on the manifest is actually ma'tya'sne' (i.e. mrs. matyas), which would have been the normal (hungarian) way of referring to her at the time.


....... tom klein, toronto

Again, thanks to all that responded to my original message.

Here's the problem: on the passenger manifests, Roza Grosz is going to the home of her brother-in-lawl, atyas Weiszhaus. Her sister is Matgassac Grosz Weiszhauz. Roza says her birthplace is Masza'rfalva and her sister, in another passenger manifest, says she is going to her husband, Matyas, and she is born in Ramocsahaza. Are the two villages near each other? Roza seems to be the older of the two.

I'm still tring to figure out where the name Matgassac comes from. Someone else has checked this name in the passenger manifest and says I've got the correct spelling. In another place she is listed as Matgasie.

If anyone has any iinformation on my two problems, I would appreciate any help I can get.

Pat

At 09:43 AM 2/10/2006, tom klein wrote:
there is a town called masza'rfalva in the munkacs district of bereg megye. see: <http://www.radixindex.com/cgi-bin/hn1913.cgi?place=maszar>.



....... tom klein, toronto



Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@earthlink.net> wrote:

Has anyone heard of this Maszarfalva, Hungary? I found it on a passenger
list featuring Rosa Grosz. If this is the right person, it could possibly
be near the Romanian border because her sister married a man >from Nyirbator.


Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@...>
 

Ues, it is >from the original passenger manifest. I got it through the Ellis
Island site.

Another researcher, not on H-Sig that I know, suggested the same answer as
Tom, but then she also looked at the passenger manifest and agreed with me
that Matgassac was correct. On another official form >from the state of New
York, done by Soundex, it lists Weisshaus, Matgasse, age 27, Group No. 42,
List No. 19, Citizen of Hungary, steamer Noordam. Unfortunately, in sloppy
research I neglected to record where this record came from. It is, however,
the right steamer and date (Sept. 4, 1906.) It looks like Form 11-1229.


Pat

At 12:35 PM 2/12/2006, tom klein wrote:
i've never heard of a name like "matgassac" or "matgasie". could it be a
misreading of something else? have you looked at the image file of the
actual manifest?

it is, however, probably not a coincidence that her husband's name was
ma'tya's. i would hazard a guess that what is on the manifest is actually
ma'tya'sne' (i.e. mrs. matyas), which would have been the normal
(hungarian) way of referring to her at the time.


....... tom klein, toronto


tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

if you look them up on the 1913 gazetteer on bogardi.com, you will see that maszarfalva is in bereg county, and ramocsahaza is in adjoining szabolcs county.

as for their ages, roza gross is listed on the manifest (sept 4, 1906) as 16, and her sister is listed as 27 (and is accompanied by her 2 boys, zoltan who is 3 years old, and jeno who is 4 1/2 years old).



....... tom klein, toronto

Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@earthlink.net> wrote:

Here's the problem: on the passenger manifests, Roza Grosz is going to the
home of her brother-in-law, atyas Weiszhaus. Her sister is Matgassac Grosz
Weiszhauz. Roza says her birthplace is Masza'rfalva and her sister, in
another passenger manifest, says she is going to her husband, Matyas, and
she is born in Ramocsahaza. Are the two villages near each other? Roza
seems to be the older of the two.