Cemeteries #hungary


Hello, Genners,

In response to Hope Gordon's inquiry about NYC cemeteries Ada Green
<> wrote:

<<Some of the largest Jewish cemeteries in the NY area are not computerized, most
notably Washington Cemetery in Brooklyn and Baron Hirsch Cemetery on Staten
Island. As has been written many times in this discussion group, the only
sure-fire way to find out where someone is buried is to order their death
certificate. Please read the JGSNY Cemetery FAQ's at, especially FAQ #6.>>

I would agree with Ada that death certificates are in most instances the best way
to find out where someone is buried. However, in my husband's family we have one
individual who would never be found the usual way.

Per her official death certificate, my husband's married and childless great-aunt,
Sarah Geist Abramson, died at the age of 27 on March 29, 1918 in Manhattan at
Polyclinic Hospital. She was buried at Mt. Carmel Cemetery located in Cypress
Hills, Queens on March 31, 1918.

In 1955 or so, after her parents had passed away, her brother[s] had the body
reinterred at a Geist family plot at Acacia Cemetery in Richmond Hill, Queens
where the name on the stone and in the cemetery office records reads "Sarah
Geist". No mention or record of the Abramson name.

Acacia's non-computerized records indicate that the body was reinterred >from Mt.
Carmel. Mt. Carmel has no records in their computerized data base about the
burial or the removal of Sarah's coffin. To them, she doesn't exist. Perhaps if
pressed and shown the death certificate, Mt. Carmel employees might find old
interrment records to verify the burial unless, of course, the old records have
been destroyed.

So, in this particular case, on could get the death certificate and go to the
"computerized data-base" cemetery where she once had been buied and never be
able to find the grave. I had to make quite a few phone calls to figure this one
out as all the parties involved [Sarah's husband, her parents, her brothers
and their wives] are now deceased. The surviving nieces and nephews never heard
much about her and couldn't provide more than a scant few clues.

As always in genealogical research, "the game is afoot."

Shana Tova,
Shellie Wiener
San Francisco

Researching the usual suspects:
SCHWARTZ, SPORN - Buczacz, Galicia
SCHER - Austo-Hungarian Empire

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>

The Woltemade, Gate 8, Cemetery is a fascinating place in my estimation as
it contains the history of the community. One can see how things changed
over the years as some of the earliest stones are all in Hebrew and the
later ones begin to have English on them. There are wonderful flowery
pieces on tombstones as well as whimsical ones.

Searching through the cemetery can be arduous as the original grave numbers
found in the death records are many times different that the grave numbers
in the cemetery book kept on the property. Also, identifying markers have
many times been removed >from the rows making it hard to know where to look.

In addition, the property abounds with holes and soft ground where one can
take a good tumble as I did right onto my great grandmother's grave. Many
of the tombstones are so close together that it makes it difficult to read

However, the trip to the cemetery is well worth it if you have the time to

Ann Rabinowitz

Yefim Kogan

Dear Martin and Marsha,

Thank for the letter.

If you want a cemetery to be indexed, and you visit the place or someone
else visit the place, the best way is to PHOTOGRAPH all the gravestones!!
The way is to hire someone in Ukraine to make photos... that of course will
require to get donations >from people interested.

This is first and most important part of the process. Of course the photos
should be in a good quality... you can find at JewishGen instruction how to
make good photos...

After this is done, you would need to announce that at the Ukraine SIG
discussion group, and find people with necessary language skills. I am
pretty sure that at Ukraine SIG you will find help.

It is not an easy work, but it can be done.

G'mar Hatima Tovah.

Yefim Kogan
Bessarabia SIG Coordinator
Bendery, Tarutino, Akkerman, Kiliya - all in Bessarabia, KHAIMOVICH in
Galatz, Romania, KOGAN in Dubossary, Moldova, SRULEVICH in Shanghai, China

MODERATOR'S NOTE: This is a good reminder that in order for any project to be
completed at Ukraine SIG, someone has to agree to become a Town Leader and coordinate
the project. Fundraising is handled through JewishGen. Contact Chuck Weinstein,
Ukraine SIG Towns Director if you are interested. His Email is


Subject: Cemeteries
From: "Miller, Martin G [SOC S]" <>
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 21:47:06 +0000
X-Message-Number: 1

Dear Mr Kogan,

There is a cemetery on the outskirts of the village of Pulin (now Chervono
Armysk) west of Zhitomyr that is a little overgrown but not vandalized and
has quite a lot of graves. We visited there a few years ago as that is the
village that my father-in-law grew up in and emigrated >from with his parents
and other family members around 1907. Neither my husband, nor his sister,
nor I read Hebrew so we couldn?t tell if any relatives were there, but the
stones are very readable. We would love to see this cemetery indexed since
it has not been destroyed. There is also a large monument erected in memory
of "citizens" lost to the Nazis as one enters the cemetery. We were
informed that there are no Jews now in Pulin.


Martin and Marsha Miller
Ames, Iowa
Researching Melech, Kendal, Berezin, all of Ukraine.

Israel P

I have just completed a series of blog posts about a trip I took with two
cousins to Trencin and Zilina Counties Slovakia and Budapest, Kalocsa and
Kunszentmiklos Hungary.

You can read them at . The series begins with
my first post in may.

Israel Pickholtz