the name Miriam/Magdalena #general


MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-10-06 21:46:05 EDT, bnnch@internet-zahav.net cited my
comment:

==Only among Christians would there be any association between Magdalena and
any of the derivatives of Miriam such as Mary, Maria.

and apparently wanted to argue the point. He wrote

<<My Dutch founding father, originating >from Oestinghausen(Prussia) had at the
"naamsaanneming" in 1812-the Napoleon edict on the adoption of
a family name-a daughter named Maria.I have the certificate to prove
it.He was very much a religious Jew, and calling his than a year and a
half old daughter Maria, seemingly didn't bother him.In the kille
Maria was known as "Mietje".It all points to Miriam.
==That's the point. Marie and Maria, derivatives of Miriam, are to be found
in Jewish families; Magdalena is a most unlikely name for a Jewish woman.

He adds:
<<Needless to say that they (and me) are pure Ashkenazim. As my teacher at a
course on genealogy by the Diaspora Museum (Beth Hatfutsoth-Tel Aviv) used to
say:- in genealogy everything is possible. >>
==Can we please get away >from this sort of statement that smells of "racial
purity"? Besides which, such a statement cannot be true. Sephardi and
Ashkenazi Jews "seprated" comparatively lately, and there was always migration
and intermarriage. Or as bnnch himself quoted: << in genealogy everything is
possible>>. Including having unexpected ancestors >from another country.

BTW: my English teacher told me that if something is "needless to say," it
doesn't need to be said" <g>


BEN NOACH <bnnch@...>
 

MBernet@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 98-10-01 23:31:50 EDT, mkearns@u.washington.edu writes:

<< Magdalena . . . >>
==The name Mary Magdelena in the New Testament is derived >from the Hebrew name
Miriam, bat Migdal. She came >from the town of Migdal (Majdal) on the West
shore of the Sea of Galilee. I have never heard of a Jewish woman known as
Magdalena, but I have heard of Jewish women in Europe called Magda which, I
assume (purely a guess) is short for Magdalena, and (again a guess) Madeleine
is probably also a corruption of Magdalena, but is not totally unknown among
Jews.

==Only among Christians would there be any association between Magdalena and
any of the derivatives of Miriam such as Mary, Maria.

Michael Bernet
*
My Dutch founding father, originating >from Oestinghausen(Prussia) had at
the "naamsaanneming" in 1812-the Napoleon edict on the adoption of
a family name-a daughter named Maria.I have the certificate to prove
it.He was very much a religious Jew, and calling his than a year and a
half old daughter Maria, seemingly didn't bother him.In the kille
Maria was known as "Mietje".It all points to Miriam.
Needless to say that they(and me) are pure Ashkenazim.
As my teacher at a course on genealogy by the Diaspora Museum(Beth
Hatfutsoth-Tel Aviv) used to say:-
in genealogy everything is possible.

Shalom >from Israel,
BEN NOACH-<mailto:bnnch@internet-zahav.net>
<http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/6375>


MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-10-01 23:31:50 EDT, mkearns@u.washington.edu writes:

<< Magdalena . . . >>
==The name Mary Magdelena in the New Testament is derived >from the Hebrew name
Miriam, bat Migdal. She came >from the town of Migdal (Majdal) on the West
shore of the Sea of Galilee. I have never heard of a Jewish woman known as
Magdalena, but I have heard of Jewish women in Europe called Magda which, I
assume (purely a guess) is short for Magdalena, and (again a guess) Madeleine
is probably also a corruption of Magdalena, but is not totally unknown among
Jews.

==Only among Christians would there be any association between Magdalena and
any of the derivatives of Miriam such as Mary, Maria.

Michael Bernet
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seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): Frankfurt, Wurzburg, Furth, Yugoslavia, Westchester
WOLF, Sali & Rachel, Rotterdam, murdered by Dr. Petiot, Paris ca 1942
WEIL[L], Albert, Fr. hon. consul in Nurnberg; returned to France 1936/7.