KARPELES as a surname or forename #general


Leslie Reich <countrywide@...>
 

KARPELES as as suranme or forename

Can any of our readers throw any light on the origin of this name and its
meaning if it has one ?

L Reich Manchester


Norman H. Carp-Gordon <zerakodesh@...>
 

KARPELES is a possessive form of Karpel, Yiddish diminutive form of Karp,
an eastern orthodox church baptismal name for boys, derived >from the
Greek word karpos, meaning agricultural produce--fruit in its broadest
sense. (Karpos was borrowed by Mishnaic Hebrew, and we use it during the
Passover seder.)

Jews often vernacularized their secular names. Karp, originally used by
some Jews as a "Goyish" given name, eventually became a surname. (My
KARPs lived in Minsk.) The form Karpel, though grammatically a
diminutive, denoted endearment. A boy whose father was called Karpel
might receive the sobriquet Karpeles, meaning Karpel's (son). In some
cases that sobriquet got established as a family name. (ISSERLES is an
example of a Hebrew name undergoing the same process: Yisroel > Isser >
Isserl > Isserles.)

"Leslie Reich" <countrywide@...> writes:

KARPELES as as suranme or forename

Can any of our readers throw any light on the origin of this name
and its meaning if it has one ?


Ury Link <uryl@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Mr Norman Carp-Gordon wrote:
KARPELES is a possessive form of Karpel,Yiddish diminutive form of Karp,
an eastern orthodox church baptismal name for boys, derived >from the
Greek word karpos, meaning agricultural produce--fruit in its broadest
sense. (Karpos was borrowed by Mishnaic Hebrew, and we use it during the
Passover seder.) >>>>>

I know that also Mr.Alexander Beider in his book "A Dictionary of Jewish
Surnames >from the Kingdom of Poland " on page 239 think that the name
Karpel is >from Greek origin like Mr Norman Carp-Gordon. In my opinion is
the given name Karpel a nickname to Efraim ( also to Nathan according
the "Beit Shemuel"). Why is Karpel a nickname to Efraim ? Karpel is a
small fish, Karpfen in Germany Carp in English Karpion in Hebrew, and in
the blessing of Jaacow in Genesis 48,16 he said to Mennashe and
Efraim: "Va-Ydgu La-Rov Be-Kerev Ha-Aretz " (And let them fishing into a
multitude in the midst of earth).We know that the name Fishel is also a
nickname to Efraim because the connection to fish like Karpel. What Mr
Norman Carp-Gordon mean with the suggestion that the name get out >from the
Greek word Karpos that meaning agricultural produce--fruit ,is very
interest for me. In the Bible in book Hoshea 9 ,16 is written: "Efraim is
smitten, their root is dried up, the shall bear no fruit" Fruit in Hebrew
is Pry (Pe - Resh - Yud ). In another place in Hoshea 14,9 is
written: ">from me is you fruit found " in Hebrew Pyrjecha (Pe - Resh -
Yud - Kaf sofit). All the letters of fruit in Hebrew Pe - Resh - Yud we
find in the name Efraim (alef - PE - RESH - YUD - mem sofit). Perhaps is
the Greek word Karpos ,if it is fruit (I don't know Greek) a translation
from the Hebrew. Perhaps one of our members can look into the Septtuagina
if he have and check the translating of Efraim or Fruit >from the Hebrew to
the Greek.

It is correct that Karpel's mean the son of Karpel.

Best regards
Ury Link
Amsterdam
Holland

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