Kristallnacht took place on November 9th, 1938
See http://www.ushmm.org/kristallnacht/frame.htm

At 01:12 20/03/2001, you wrote:

I recently found the names of four of my relatives who were murdered in
an action at Berdichev, Ukraine on September 14-15 1941. According to John
Garrard, this was the first systematic massacre of the Shoah.

David Lewin wrote:

Sadly Golub-Dobrzyn has the same distinction
14 September 1939

Nicole Rosenberg
Israel

I would trace the Shoah to 22 March 1933, when Dachau Concentration Camp
was opened.

Robert W Fraser
rgfraser@...

Several concentration camps were established in 1933: besides Dachau,
Sachsenhausen, Sachsenburg, and Esterwegen (reference: Martin
Gilbert, The Atlas of Holocaust). But none was originally a Jewish
extermination camp. They were intended to intern the "enemies" and
critics of the 3rd Reich, including homosexuals, political enemies,
gipsies, socialists, mentally ills and, of course, Jews.

At 00:00 -0600 23.03.01, JewishGen Discussion Group digest wrote:
>| Subject: Re: When, and where did the Holocaust start?
>| From: "Robert Fraser" <rgfraser@...>
>| Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:33:15 +0800
>| X-Message-Number: 31
>|
>| I would trace the Shoah to 22 March 1933, when Dachau Concentration
>| Camp was opened.
>|
>| Robert W Fraser

Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil

Dear friends,

Here are my two cents:
the French Larousse Dictionary stipulates "the Holocaust (called the Soah
by the Jews) is the extermination of the Jews by the nazis between 1939 and
1945 in the territories occupied by the military forces of the hitlerien
Reich".

Roger
Roger Feinberg
Antibes (France)
rgr.fnbrg@...

Holocaust scholars generally refer to Kristallnacht, November 9, 1938
as the beginning of the Holocaust, though incidents occured prior to
that date.
Myra Shalet, Leawood, KS <Myrashalet@...>