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Why the name change? #general


marife <marife@...>
 

My grandmother's daughters all swear that their mother's name was Eta
Milgrom.

However, on Ellis Island she is listed as Mariemlte Milgram. I am
certain she is one and the same person because she was coming to Atlanta,
Georgia to marry my grandfather and Atlanta is where it said she was coming
on the Ship Manifest. Does anybody have any knowledge about this strange
name change? Who should I trust, my aunts or Ellis Island.?

Thanks for your response.
Marilyn Feingold Atlanta, Georgia


Dan Goodman <dsgood@...>
 

marife@... (marife) wrote in
news:000701c23f40$02649c00$6401a8c0@hp:

My grandmother's daughters all swear that their mother's name was Eta
Milgrom.

However, on Ellis Island she is listed as Mariemlte Milgram. I am
certain she is one and the same person because she was coming to
Atlanta, Georgia to marry my grandfather and Atlanta is where it said
she was coming on the Ship Manifest. Does anybody have any knowledge
about this strange name change? Who should I trust, my aunts or Ellis
Island.?
Her original legal name might have been something different >from either of
those. It's quite possible that "Eta" is a nickname formed >from her formal
first name -- which would resemble what was written down on Ellis Island,
but not be exactly the same.

The immigration officers on Ellis Island often did things such as spelling
a Norwegian name as if it was Swedish.

My father was born in the US. His legal name was Samuel Abraham Goodman.
His birth certificate gave his name as Abraham Samuel Goodman. His mother
called him Schloime -- which, as I've been told here, would properly be
translated as "Solomon".


Steven Sherman <ShermanNOSPAM@...>
 

My grandmother's daughters all swear that their mother's name was Eta
Milgrom.

However, on Ellis Island she is listed as Mariemlte Milgram. I am
certain she is one and the same person because she was coming to Atlanta,
Georgia to marry my grandfather and Atlanta is where it said she was coming
on the Ship Manifest. Does anybody have any knowledge about this strange
name change? Who should I trust, my aunts or Ellis Island.?

Thanks for your response.
Marilyn Feingold Atlanta, Georgia
My grandmother's first name as I knew it was Sheila. Her daughters (my mom
& aunt) told me that her real name was Sophie but that she changed it when
she came to America. On reviewing her US naturalization records, it clearly
shows that her real name was originally Getel, not Sophie.

Was this a surprise? Yes

Was it out of character for my grandmother to hid this information >from her
family? No, she did things like this all the time. She obviously didn't
like the name Getel and wanted to purge it >from her life. If it wasn't for
government records, she would have succeeded.

Now if only I could figure out the truth of when she was born.

Steve Sherman
----
Searching: PRUGER, SACKS, COLISH, KOBRE, GILLER, SCHER


MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 8/9/2002 3:26:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
marife@... writes:

<< My grandmother's daughters all swear that their mother's name was Eta
Milgrom.

However, on Ellis Island she is listed as Mariemlte Milgram. I am
certain she is one and the same person because she was coming to Atlanta,
Georgia to marry my grandfather and Atlanta is where it said she was coming
on the Ship Manifest. Does anybody have any knowledge about this strange
name change? Who should I trust, my aunts or Ellis Island.? >>

==That's an easy one. The name was incorrrectly transcribed and almost
certainly was Mariette. Mariette would be called Etta by friends and family.

==Fellow-genner Edward Rosenbaum, < erosenbaum@... > in his
presentation at the jewishgenealogy conference in Toronto on Wednesday
mentioned a shareware program that will generate all likely variations
based on mistranscriptions. This is combined with the American Soundex
system and the Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex system,
and thus allows you to access the names on most major
genealogy databases with just one click.

Michael Bernet, New York <mBernet@...>

WOLFF (Pfungstadt, Frankfurt/M, Koenigsberg, Amsterdam, N.Carolina); BERNET,
BERNERT, JONDORF(Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg); FEUCHTWANGER
(Schwabach, Hagenbach & Fuerth); KONIGSHOFER (anywhere); BERG, WOLF(F),
(Demmelsdorf & Zeckendorf); Shim`on GUTENSTEIN (Bad Homburg ca 1760);
FRENSDORF/ER (anywhere); MAINZER (Lorsch); anyone in Ermreuth or Floss;
GOLDSCHMIDT (B. Homburg, Hessdorf). ALTMANN (Silesia); TIMMENDORFER


David Rothman <drothman1@...>
 

Another possibility is that the woman had two names
Mariem Itte, which many people had even then.

The man taking down this information may have heard
them as one name. Later the woman simply
preferred the second name.
(My sister never uses her first name!)

David Rothman
Hawthorne, CA 90250-8042


Israel & Clara <iczamir@...>
 

Until to day, a lot of jews >from Russia Poland and so
are using the female name Clara
(like Claire in French...).

In numerous cases the :"Clara" name is standing for
the hebreww "Chaia" or Yiddish "Chaie".
In less numbers it is standing for "Chava" (hehbrew)
or "Chave" in Yiddish

Israel Zamir
iczamir@...
israelzamir@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dream Builder" <dreambuilder@...>
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" <jewishgen@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: Why the name change?
My mother always thought that her mother's name was Miriam Clara because
relatives called her Clara. Imagine her surprise when she found out that
her
name was Miriam Evelyn. We still don't know why she was called Clara.
Vicki Ina Friedman
Waleska, GA, USA
dreambuilder@...


Dream Builder <dreambuilder@...>
 

My mother always thought that her mother's name was Miriam Clara because
relatives called her Clara. Imagine her surprise when she found out that her
name was Miriam Evelyn. We still don't know why she was called Clara.

Vicki Ina Friedman
Waleska, GA, USA
dreambuilder@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "marife" <marife@...>
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" <jewishgen@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:59 PM
Subject: Why the name change?


Steve Gabai <sgabai@...>
 

We can drive ourselves crazy trying to figure out names; first and
last - English and Hebrew.

My ggf's (Simon Greenberg) Hebrew name was Shlomo and I have reason
to believe he took the English equivalent - Solomon - in the U.S.
before going with Simon.

On my gf's (Harry) Newark, NJ birth certificate - assuming it's his
- his first name is listed as Ammil. But he was *always* Harry! (my
gf missed his DOB by two days on his WWI draft card).

And in Simon's obit, my gf is listed as Aaron - and he was about 38
at the time!

I think these name changes, discrepancy's and contradictions are just
part of the conspiracy our ancestors undertook to keep us guessing.

Steve Gabai

Researching:
ABOUAF, ABRAMS (NYC), ALGRANATI (ALGRANTI), CARMONA, CHASAN (any
spelling, including SCHAEZEN), FINKELSTEIN (NYC), GABAI (GABBAI -
GABAY), GREENBAUM, GREENBERG, INSKY, MUSSAF (NJ), PERLSTEIN (PEARLSTEIN),
RATOVETSKY, ROUSSO (RUSSO), SCHIMSKY (SCHYMSKER - SCHETZENSKY),
SCHRAPATZ (SKROPOTICH), SHWARTZ, (SCHWARTZ), SILVER, SPECTOR & TARANTO


Leslie Weinberg <lbw@...>
 

My grandmother's first name as I knew it was Sheila. Her
daughters (my mom & aunt) told me that her real name was Sophie
but that she changed it when she came to America. On reviewing
her US naturalization records, it clearly shows that her real
name was originally Getel, not Sophie. .... She obviously didn't
like the name Getel and wanted to purge it >from her life. If it
wasn't for government records, she would have succeeded.

Steve Sherman
We only found out recently that my grandfather's name was not Max,
but Markus. We did find that on his naturalization papers the name
was listed Max (Markus). He decided he wanted his name to be more
"American" and would yell at anyone in the family who occasionally
used "Markus"!


Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

Perhaps her Hebrew name was Haya or Hava which in Russia often
became Clara. In America Hava could be Evelyn.

Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

My mother always thought that her mother's name was Miriam Clara
because relatives called her Clara. Imagine her surprise when she
found out that her name was Miriam Evelyn. We still don't know why
she was called Clara.
Vicki Ina Friedman