Too Many M's #general


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In a message dated 12/22/2002 12:17:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
gershie@optonline.net writes:

<< What's the likelihood that three Eastern European Ashkenazi Jewish
brothers were named: Moishe, Mottel and Moses.

This is the scenario: Moishe comes to America in mid 1907 to see his
brother Moses, who is already living here with this Anglicized name. In
1910 Mottel shows up to see his brother Moishe.

==Mottel is the easy one; that's the kinnuy for Mordechai, not Moshe.
Moishe I assume was Moshe in Hebrew. Moses is an angliziced name-->from
what? Mendel, Melekh, Menashe, Meshullam, Me'ir? Avraham, Yitzhak or
Ya`akov? . . . could be anything.

Of course the records you have may be deliberately incorrect. Moses may
be a brother-in-law, father-in-law, cousin, neighbor, uncle, nephew of
Moishe--or the guy who borrowed Moishe's name to leave the old country or
enter the new.

Michael Bernet New York mBernet@aol.com.


Stan Goodman <safeqNOT_HERE@...>
 

gershie@optonline.net (Albert W. Gershman) opined:

What's the likelihood that three Eastern European Ashkenazi Jewish
brothers were named: Moishe, Mottel and Moses.

This is the scenario: Moishe comes to America in mid 1907 to see his
brother Moses, who is already living here with this Anglicized name. In
1910 Mottel shows up to see his brother Moishe.
Of course not. Nor is it likely that an Eastern European father
named his son "Moses" rather than "Moshe" (pronounced something like
"Moishe").

Sort of reminds me of that Bob Newhart show with the two brothers
Daryl. Did we, Jews of Eastern European practice, do this?
It is indeed very like the Bob Newhart script. No we did not.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

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Albert W. Gershman <gershie@...>
 

What's the likelihood that three Eastern European Ashkenazi Jewish
brothers were named: Moishe, Mottel and Moses.

This is the scenario: Moishe comes to America in mid 1907 to see his
brother Moses, who is already living here with this Anglicized name. In
1910 Mottel shows up to see his brother Moishe.

Sort of reminds me of that Bob Newhart show with the two brothers
Daryl. Did we, Jews of Eastern European practice, do this?

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sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

Larry, Daryl, and Daryl indeed. Moses is English for Moishe, but
that does not mean that a particular Moses had the Hebrew name. It
is possible that, for example, your relative, Moses, had the Hebrew
name Menachem or Yedidiah or anything else-and liked Moses (in
English) better than other alternatives. Then his brother Moishe
came, then Mottel came.

Confusing, yes. Impossible, no. It is not even improbable. It is
as likely as Larry, Darryl, and Peter.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

Moses was obviously not Moshe. It may be an "anglicized" form of
some other name starting with M.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Arad, Israel

From: Albert W. Gershman
Subject: Too Many M's

What's the likelihood that three Eastern European Ashkenazi Jewish
brothers were named: Moishe, Mottel and Moses.

This is the scenario: Moishe comes to America in mid 1907 to see
his brother Moses, who is already living here with this Anglicized
name. In 1910 Mottel shows up to see his brother Moishe.


Anita Citron <anitac47@...>
 

People were very loose with their names. In my family, Israel
Chaimovich became Chaim over here (although the manifest reads
"Israel") and but called himself Morris and was also known as
Hyman. Another member: Moshe became Morris which became Miguel
(on his migration to Argentina).

People changed their names quite readily and easily. As my
relative did, he used his shortened middle name (patronymic) but
then somehow became Morris.

It's all in a day's work.

Anita Citron
anitac47@optonline.net
Hicksville, NY
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