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Sally M. Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
Well, you have rejected the opinions of the experts, so let me see if I can
come up with and alternative location. I went into Shtetl Seeker and found Novyy Sverzhen. Then I looked by location-for towns nearby. Starting with G, there is a Gorodzey or Horodziej, 12.5 miles to the SW. But starting with K is Khotishche-if 'Gaditsch' is there, I suggest that it might be Khotishche, at 5407 2539, it is 63 miles away, but in the general neighborhood, and it sounds like Gaditch. But don't reject Gadyach out of hand. Naomi and Alexander have correctly identified a lot of places which people couldn't find, and people moved around a lot more than we think. In particular, there was a great movement from the NE Poland/Lithuania/Belarus region to Ukraine, so they might havelived in one place and moved to another. Actually, what you need to do is look in a broad area to see what records are available. Unfortunately, neither Belarus nor Ukraine has a lot of available records, but check what is available. Sally Bruckheimer Harrison, NY
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Mike Posnick
Sally,
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Thanks for your message. I want to make sure that you and everyone else understands that I have not rejected the opinions of the "experts" out of hand. I have been aware of Gadyach >from the beginning of my research-- it's the readily apparent answer to my question. And I'm fully aware that our ancestors moved around more than most people believe. If you will re- read my last message on the subject, you will see that I merely am looking to see whether there is a better answer. My reason for questioning Gadyach is that it does not fit the other facts of which I am aware. As I mentioned, the family lore is that the children all were born in Pinsk. One of the first things a good researcher learns is that there is an element of truth to most family stories. I can think of no reason why the family would have said the children were born in Pinsk if they actually were born in Gadyach, especially when the two towns are so distant >from one another. I also am aware of the places you suggest. I agree with you that one of them well may be the town I am seeking. The correct answer, if one ever is found, probably will be found in other family information that I have yet to discover. Let me emphasize that my purpose in submitting the question to the list was not to obtain research help. I am perfectly capable as a researcher. It was to determine whether anyone else previously had faced exactly the same question, to learn how they resolved it, and to find out why they resolved it in the manner they did. Mike Posnick In her JewishGen message of 6/8/2003, Sally M. Bruckheimer wrote:
Well, you have rejected the opinions of the experts, so let me see if I
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Mike Posnick
I appreciate Naomi's response to my inquiry about "Gaditch," but I am not
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a novice researcher. In addition, I looked at the sources Naomi mentions in her reply, as well as several others, before posting my question. I was hoping that someone else previously might have sought the same town and was successful in identifying it. Hodiatch or Gadac, more properly known as Gadyach, Ukraine, is the obvious answer to my question. Sometimes, however, an answer is too obvious to be believed. That is the case here. My reason for doubting the obvious answer is that Gadyach simply is located too far >from where this family's lore says they lived and in the wrong direction. The parents are known to have been born in what is now Novyy Sverzhen, Belarus. Other information >from the family indicates that the children all were born in what is now Pinsk, Belarus. Pinsk is located 95.6 miles SSW of Novyy Sverzhen. There are no known family connections to any territory east of Kiev, which itself is located 263.2 miles SE of Novyy Sverzhen. Gadyach is located an additional 153.4 miles E of Kiev! I cannot categorically state that Gadyach is not the correct answer, but I also am not prepared to accept it uncritically. Based upon what little I do know and my experience as a researcher, I still would expect to find that "Gaditch" is a place in the former Minsk, Grodno. or Volhynia provinces, most likely a very small town in the vicinity of Pinsk. Mike Posnick Minneapolis, Minnesota e-mail: mpoz@... In her JewishGen message of 6/7/2003, Naomi Fatouros wrote:
Despite Mr. Poznick belief that his relative' mystery town might be in the
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NFatouros@...
On June 6, 03 Mike Posnick (mpoz@...) wrote:
<<A relative's Petition for Naturalization recites his children's birthplace as "Gaditch, Russia." I have been unable to locate the town. Does anyone know where it is, possibly in the vicinity of Pinsk or Novyy Sverzhen, Belarus, and its current name?>> Despite Mr. Poznick belief that his relative' mystery town might be in the vicinity of Pinsk or Novyy Sverzhen, I am suggesting that "Gaditch" could be Hodiatch, also known as Gadac. But some other Jewihsgenner might write to say that I should have sat on my hands rather than type this response! Hodiatch is east of Kiev and north of Polatava. Chester G. Cohen's "Shtetl" Finder Gazetter has an entry for it, and so does "Where We Once Walked" (WWOW). WWOW offers no information about Hodiatch (or Gadec) and says only that it could not be found under the given spelling in the gazetteers of the US Board on Geographic Naomes. Mr. Posnick should try Jewishgen's ShtetlSeeker to see whether there are closer matches, and also try to find his relative's ship manifest to see how the EIDB volunteers spelled it in transcription and to see how the mystery town was spelled on the manifest itself. Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN) Bloomington, Indiana NFatouros@... Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse; SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna. MODERATOR NOTE: The ShtetlSeeker can be searched at <http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/>.
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