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EPSTEIN family legend #general


Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Is anyone familiar with the following legend concerning
an EPSTEIN family?

The family fled >from Spain at the time of the expulsion and
found shelter in a cave, possibly in Germany. A rock closed
the entrance to the cave and hid the family >from pursuers.
When the family wished to exit, they shouted the command
"Eff(n?)en Stein," >from which their descendants
thereafter derived their surname.

I am not a (known) descendant of this family, rather
I am asking on behalf of a relative. Please only respond
if you are familiar with this legend,not about general
EPSTEIN genealogy or other stories/facts about the origin
of the surname.

Thanks very much.

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
Washington, D.C. area


Nachum Tuchman <nachum@...>
 

I am not familiar with this legend. I would wonder, though, what the
chances are that it is true. Why would a Spanish family open the cave
by talking Yiddish? They probably would not have known Yiddish until
they lived amongst Ashkenazim. And even if they were fluent in several
languages, they should have opened the cave with their day to day
language, or Hebrew.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel

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From: Logan J. Kleinwaks [mailto:kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu]=20
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Subject: EPSTEIN family legend

Is anyone familiar with the following legend concerning an EPSTEIN family?

The family fled >from Spain at the time of the expulsion and
found shelter in a cave, possibly in Germany. A rock closed
the entrance to the cave and hid the family >from pursuers.
When the family wished to exit, they shouted the command
"Eff(n?)en Stein," >from which their descendants
thereafter derived their surname.

I am not a (known) descendant of this family, rather
I am asking on behalf of a relative. Please only respond
if you are familiar with this legend,not about general
EPSTEIN genealogy or other stories/facts about the origin
of the surname.

Thanks very much.

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
Washington, D.C. area

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Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

In article <CA30A1706D903F4EB79DD0D788AF0A2964D815@server.avichai.org.il>,
Nachum Tuchman <nachum@avichai.org.il> wrote:

I am not familiar with this legend. I would wonder, though, what the
chances are that it is true. Why would a Spanish family open the cave
by talking Yiddish? They probably would not have known Yiddish until
they lived amongst Ashkenazim. And even if they were fluent in several
languages, they should have opened the cave with their day to day
language, or Hebrew.
It was a Spanish family, but the stone was in Germany.
Do you expect a German stone to understand Spanish?

Robert Israel
israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada


s_wiener@...
 

I believe that the originator of this thread only
wanted to know if any other Genners had ever heard of
this bubbameise. I am sure that the credibility of
the story was not the point. Please let us not be so
harsh on our fellow-Genners. Where else can we openly
discuss strange family stories and histories? Because
as we know, sometimes there is a kernel of truth
hiding inside/beside/around some of these 'jems.'

Thanks,
Shellie Wiener
San Francisco, CA
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<<I am not familiar with this legend. I would wonder,
though, what the chances are that it is true. Why
would a Spanish family open the cave by talking
Yiddish? They probably would not have known Yiddish
until they lived amongst Ashkenazim. And even if they
were fluent in several languages, they should have
opened the cave with their day to day language, or
Hebrew.

It was a Spanish family, but the stone was in Germany.
Do you expect a German stone to understand Spanish?>>