interim residences before leaving for the US, etc. #general


philafrum
 

9/1/04

Genners,

Thanks to all who responded to my query about the correct transcription of a
town listed on a manifest. Most replies suggested Lipkany, (Moldova) as the
correct rendition.

This brings another question to mind. Since I never heard mention of
Lipkany before and since it is over 100 miles >from Starokonstantinov
(Ukraine), the place I've heretofore believed to be my ancestral home town,
I wonder if many Jews took up residence briefly in locations other than
their actual shtetlach of origin before departing for the US or other
countries. Did they move somewhere in order to earn money for passage? Did
they escape to border areas in order to elude Russian government authorities
and avoid passport hassles? Or did they simply indicate the town where they
lodged a few nights before sailing as their "last residence"?

I'd appreciate your thoughts on these questions or suggestions as to where
to learn more about this phenomenon.

Evan Fishman
ebf2001@...
Cherry Hill, NJ

Searching:
MANDELSTEIN/MENDELSTEIN/MENDELSOHN (Starokonstantinov)
ADELMAN/EDELMAN (Krasilov)
KALMANOWITZ, LISNITZER (Kamenets Podolskiy, Zaslaw)
FISHMAN/FISZMAN, FINKEL (Terespol)
UDIN, BURSTEIN, WINARSKY (Kiev)
BURSTEIN (Radomyshl) PRESSEISEN


Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Dear Evan Fishman et al:

In my family and research experience, people didn't necessarily go
directly >from the shtetl to the boat without a break in the journey,
sometimes of months. Reasons often included the need for additional
funds, temporary or mild illness, or the need for further travel
arrangements to the sailing point.

People stayed with relatives or other connections -- my father and
aunt lived with an aunt in Romania for two or three months on their
way to German ports, where they lived in Germany for several weeks
and claimed to be residents of Budapest, not Podolian. A great uncle
stayed a while in London, so his US arrival manifest could lead
someone to think him a resident Brit, unless they looked closely.

Lots of people stayed in the emigrant settlements built by the
shipping interests, Hamburg, I believe being the major example of
this. You can read and see photos of this at the Hamburg lists site.

And if they were fearful and could manage the deception, some simply
lied about their hometown in fear of being found by authorities -- in
many cases they were essentially the illegal immigrants of the era.


Michelle Frager NY area
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/snitkov/ShtetLinksSnitkov_Index.htm
= TREIGER (FRAGER) SIROTA ZEKTSER SIBELBERG (sic) BRONSHTEIN in
Ukraine, Bessarabia, Romania
= FRAKT WOLFSON LIFSCHITZ KLAVIR in Belarus, Lithuania



--- Evan Fishman <ebf2001@...> wrote:> ---
9/1/04

Genners,

Thanks to all who responded to my query about the correct
transcription of a town listed on a manifest.... <snip> since it is
over 100 miles >from Starokonstantinov (Ukraine), the place I've
heretofore believed to be my ancestral home town, I wonder if many
Jews took up residence briefly in locations other than their actual
shtetlach of origin before departing for the US or other
countries.<snip>...


Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

My parents were refugees in Kishinev, Bessarabia, then Romania, 1919-1923.
My father's siblings were there too, and left for the US shortly before my
parents left. They are listed as coming >from Bucharest! My parents left from
Costanza but on their manifest it lists their home towns in Ukraine. So a
lot depends on who filled out the forms, how the questions were asked, and
how much the respondents wanted to reveal.
Ida Selavan Selavan
Arad, Israel

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Tappuah 7/3, Arad
IL-89053, Israel

-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Fishman [mailto:ebf2001@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:08 PM
Genners,

Thanks to all who responded to my query about the correct transcription of a
town listed on a manifest. Most replies suggested Lipkany, (Moldova) as the
correct rendition. >snip<

... I wonder if many Jews took up residence briefly in locations other than
their actual shtetlach of origin before departing for the US or other
countries.


Sally M. Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

People moved around a lot more than most of us think! My grandfather was
supposed to have been born in Berdichev, and his brother, just a year or 2
younger said Odessa.

A lot depends on the exact question which was asked, also. 'Where were you
born' is different than'Where are you from' and both might get a different
answer than 'Where did you last live [before getting on this ship, perhaps].
For one cousin of mine, born 1868 or so, the first would be Marseilles,
France, the second, Augustow, Poland, the third, England. I have his
written answers to go on >from various documents.

So don't give up hope. Think about the answers and the questions and look
in all the places you might find more records.

Sally Bruckheimer
Chatham, NJ

"Since I never heard mention of
Lipkany before and since it is over 100 miles >from Starokonstantinov
(Ukraine), the place I've heretofore believed to be my ancestral home town,
I wonder if many Jews took up residence briefly in locations other than
their actual shtetlach of origin before departing for the US or other
countries."