Dear Genners,
I am hoping that once again, someone can help me
out of this dead end. My g-grandfather Peter MEYER
came on the ship P. Caland 4 Jan 1884 through Castle
Gardens and here states his place of origin as
Germany. I have all his naturalization papers >from New
York Superior Court, that simply state he is from
Russia (late 19th century info not being as detailed
as later documents), so unfortunately, no particular
help. NYC censuses list him as being >from Russia in
1900 and Poland in 1920. The 1910 Manhattan,NY census
perhaps being more detailed, lists him as being from
Russian/Poland. What do I do now in order to obtain
his town of origin? Is there a way to order records of
departures >from Rotterdam? Has anyone had this
problem?
Thank you in advance for all your help and time.
Shari Kantrow

researching:
MEYER, KAFKA, KUPFER, SCHAFF -Russian/Poland>NY
BLITZER,KARPET,JACOBSON,LANDSMAN, BLITZMAN,BLAZER
PLATZMAN, REYITTS (REIZ)Kamenets-Podolskiy, Podolia >NY
HABERMAN,DICKMAN,SZWARZ- Bukaczowce,Siemikowce>NY
SCHNEIDER, MILBAUER, MEYER - Austria
SCHWARTZ,,SHAPIRO- Bursztyn,Kuropatniki-Galicia>NY

Dear Shari,
Rotterdam departures may be available, depending on which ship your relative
traveled on. The Mormon Library has departure records of the Holland-America line
on microfiche. There is both an index and the actual passenger lists. Since this
is fiche, once you've ordered it, your local library gets to keep it forever.

I did a bit of research, and the P. Caland was indeed a Holland-America ship,
built in 1874. So you ought to be able to manage your way through the index and
find the original record.

Please note that, of course, the records are in Dutch . . . Which, using our
familiar Latin alphabet, isn't too hard to work through.

In my research, I came across a website which sells original ship memorabilia,
including passenger lists. For the P. Caland, they have pasenger lists >from 1891
and 1892. The website is <http://www.oceanliner.com/passlist.htm>. I have no
personal interest in this website.


Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia

At 10:19 PM 8/28/2005, Shari Kantrow wrote:

NYC censuses list him as being >from Russia in 1900 and Poland in 1920. The 1910
Manhattan,NY census perhaps being more detailed, lists him as being >from
Russian/Poland. What do I do now in order to obtain his town of origin? Is there
a way to order records of departures >from Rotterdam? Has anyone had this
problem?

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MODERATOR NOTE: This website does not guarantee passenger lists >from specific
voyages.

Interesting web site, but what they are offering are not the things we have
generally been calling Passenger Lists. We have been talking about the
comprehensive lists that were required by governments of the ports of embarkations
and/or arrival.

What this web site is offering is directory of who's aboard. These would have
been printed on the ship and do not include the steerage passengers. They cover
only First and Second Class passengers, sometimes in separate lists. Some are
indeed old, being form the late 19th century, but others are as recent as the
1970's, and obviously will list tourists more than immigrants.

As shipping industry collectables these can be fascinating items, but even this
web site makes a strong point that they should not be seen as a source for the
list of a particular vessel or voyage on which your ancestor traveled.

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY

"Hilary Henkin" <hilary@...> wrote