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Working Backwards from Certificate of Naturalization #general
Howie Axelrod <highwind1@...>
I have in hane a copy of my Grandfather's "Certificate of
Naturalization". I am attempting to find his Mother's maiden name, but it is not on this document. I believe that the actual filing certificate and associated paperwork would have this. Is this correct? There is a certificate number, a Petition number, and volume number on the document. It was issued Albany, Albany County, NY, in 1920. What is easiet route to get the filing paperwork asssociated with this? If I am asking a "basic" question, please indulge me. I am still new to this. Howie Axelrod
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Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:55:59 UTC, dmc@dmcohen.com (Doug Cohen) opined:
After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court. YouThis is very interesting to me. I had been led to believe that naturalizations were done in county courts as well, even after 1906. Is this my misunderstanding? I have sought the natuaralization of my pgf in the records of the pertinent county courts (Essex and Hudson counties, in NJ) without success; have I been barking up the wrong tree? That's easy to do >from this distance. My tentative conclusion had been that he was not, in fact naturalized, although he was telling census enumerators >from 1910 that he was a citizen. My recently devised "Plan B" is to get his 1929 passport application from the State Department, as I know that he travelled abroad in thatyear. Would that application contain information verifying his claim of citizenship, so that I could find his petition for naturalization, and learn when and on what vessel he arrived in the US in 1898? I have searched for this thoroughly, but in vain, at NARA in Washington, as records for that time, so I am told at NARA, were destroyed. -- Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel Searching: NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.
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Doug Cohen
After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court. You
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need to find the archives of the district court in Albany (nearest NARA branch -- either Pittsfield or Varick St. in Manhattan, I would assume) and ask them for the naturalization petition. In the petition file, there will also be a certificate showing the ship on which he arrived. Many NARA branches have the ship manifests, whcih will show, among other things, nearest relative left behind in the old country. Both of these documents will be interesting to you!! -- Doug Cohen Lexington, MA dmc@dmcohen.com "Howie Axelrod" <highwind1@comcast.net> wrote
I have in hane a copy of my Grandfather's "Certificate of
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Diane Jacobs <thegenie@...>
Dear Doug,
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While this can be true, it is not always the case that passenger manifest information will be in a naturalization petition file. Around 1922 the US government changed the law and if you could prove you had been in the US for six years or more, then you could apply for naturalization without the certificate of arrival or other confirming ship information. Diane Jacobs Somerset, NJ **** After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court. You need to find the archives of the district court in Albany (nearest NARA branch -- either Pittsfield or Varick St. in Manhattan, I would assume) and ask them for the naturalization petition. In the petition file, there will also be a certificate showing the ship on which he arrived. Many NARA branches have the ship manifests, whcih will show, among other things, nearest relative left behind in the old country. Both of these documents will be interesting to you!! -- Doug Cohen Lexington, MA dmc@dmcohen.com "Howie Axelrod" <highwind1@comcast.net> wrote
I have in hane a copy of my Grandfather's "Certificate of
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Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:09:42 UTC, pzavon@rochester.rr.com (Peter
Zavon) opined: It is *not* correct to say that all naturalizations were performed in federalThis is more like what I had understood. And the copies of the Petitions are at NARA, so I could see them in Washington, once I can define the date and court. Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel Searching: NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.
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Diane Jacobs <thegenie@...>
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Would also like to add another comment - after 1906 not all naturalizations Were done in US Federal Court. Those that were are at NARA in Manhattan, But many people naturalized in NY State Court in Manhattan and these records Are indexed at a fee based online database and also available at the Municipal Archives Building 7th Floor, Division of Old Records. They not only have the actual Copies of the petitions in large books, but you can make a copy of the Petition >from microfilm while you are there. Diane Jacobs Somerset, NJ **** After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court. You need to find the archives of the district court in Albany (nearest NARA branch -- either Pittsfield or Varick St. in Manhattan, I would assume) and ask them for the naturalization petition. In the petition file, there will also be a certificate showing the ship on which he arrived. Many NARA branches have the ship manifests, whcih will show, among other things, nearest relative left behind in the old country. Both of these documents will be interesting to you!! -- Doug Cohen Lexington, MA dmc@dmcohen.com "Howie Axelrod" <highwind1@comcast.net> wrote
I have in hane a copy of my Grandfather's "Certificate of
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Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
It is *not* correct to say that all naturalizations were performed in federal
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court after 1906. Any court of record could perform naturalizations, and many did. For example, the Supreme Court of New York County (Manhattan) has a huge collection of massive bound volumes of naturalization records performed by that court (a county court) - most of them after 1905. After 1906 the court merely had to use forms specified by the Federal government and to file a copy of the Petition for Naturalization with the feds. -- Peter Zavon Penfield, NY "Doug Cohen" <dmc@dmcohen.com> wrote
After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court. You
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Barbara Ellman <barbaraellman@...>
County courts did continue to grant naturalizations using Federal government
standard forms through 1924. The US Citizenship & Immigration Service (USCIS) retains copies of all naturalization records. These can be requested under the Freedom of Information Act directly >from USCIS. These records were duplicate copies and may at times be difficult to read, but they can help bring down that brick wall. Information on how to make an FOIA request to USCIS is located at their web site: http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/foia/request.htm Hope this helps Barbara Ellman Secaucus, NJ USA
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Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:55:59 UTC, dmc@dmcohen.com (Doug Cohen)
opined: From: "Stan Goodman" <SPAM_FOILER@hashkedim.com>After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court. Yousnip < Stan - Doug's information about the location of the naturalization papers is not correct. There is confusion here between NARA and the INS. After 1906, the naturalizatons could still take place in any court. What happened in 1906 is that the naturalization process came under the jurisdiction of the US Federal government, so that the policy and documentation would be standardized. A copy of the paperwork was sent to the Bureau of Naturalization, which is now the INS. Look at this website for more information http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/natzrec/natrec.htm If your grandfather was naturalized after 1906, you should follow the instructions to request a freedom of information act request. A person could still go to any court in order to apply for citizenship. In fact, the writer of the original question said exactly that - "Howie Axelrod" <highwind1@comcast.net> wrote There is a certificate number, a Petition number, and volume number onIn general, NARA does not have records that were created at the state & local levels regardless of the time period. The exception to this statement is that some states donated their state records to NARA. NARA would only have the naturalization records for the Federal District or circuit courts of the various states. These records would be located in the regional NARA branch which holds the federal records pertaining to your state. At the state level then, the records could be in any court, including the State Supreme Court, or the local criminal court, or the county courts in states which them. If you have actually searched the county court records in NJ, and didn't find them, and you have searched at NARA, you probably need to go back to New Jersey and see if there are other courts where these records could be located. My great grand father was naturalized in RI at the state's Supreme Court in 1901, and his sisters at the US District court in RI in 1931. Sometimes the courts are not aware that naturalizations occured there, especially if this is a service they no longer provide. You should check with a state or county historical society to get a better idea of where these records might be. In RI, they have a state judicial archive center which contains all the naturalizations processed in their courts. According to "They Became Americans", Loretto Dennis Szucs, the NJ State archives has NJ naturalization records for the colonial period and part of the 19th century. She also says most of the naturalization records from 1800's to the present are filed at each county clerk's office, and not the court. I found this web address for the NJ state archives, but it seems to be out of service at the moment - hopefully just a temporary glitch http://www.njarchives.org/links/archives.html Unfortunately, some of the older records >from the states' courts did not survive, or will not provide much useful information even if you do find them. There is always the possibility your ancestor was never naturalized.... I have never sent for a passport application, so I can't help with that. My information is >from the above mentioned book, the NARA website, and the INS info page. Hope this helps you and others find something, Lisa Lepore llepore@comcast.net Mendon, MA
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Ira Leviton
Dear Cousins,
"After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court..." Although this is also stated on some web sites (and presumably in some books, too), it is not entirely correct. Beginning September 26th, 1906, with the creation of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service and standardization of naturalization laws, federal courts were required to do naturalizations, but other (e.g., state and county) courts were not required to stop processing declarations of intention and petitions for naturalization. Many of them did, to avoid the paperwork and regulatory requirements, but the decision to stop was apparently made on a court-by-court basis. Ira Ira Leviton New York, N.Y.
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Burt Hecht <burt1933@...>
RE: Certificate of Naturalization, etc.
Having found the 1st Papers (Intention), Petition for Citizenship, and final Certificate -- all executed after 1910 -- in a County Clerk's Office in New York State, I believe that certain Clerk's Offices are more diligent in retaining their County Judges' records as well as sending it to the Federal Agencies for repository. So that as late as 1926 my grandfather and father each and severally received their certificates at a County venue. Maybe smaller jurisdictions had at the time Less of a storage problem than the larger municipal courts? Anyway, with patience and according respect to our municipal keepers of records, papers get filed correctly, found and even copies for our inquisitive genealogists. Burt Hecht
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Gladys Paulin <paulin@...>
<"Doug Cohen" dmc@dmcohen.com wrote:
:Subject: Re: Working Backwards >from Certificate of Naturalization <Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 01:02:35 GMT <After 1906, all naturalizations were in the federal district court. <You need to find the archives of the district court in Albany (nearest NARA <branch -- either Pittsfield or Varick St. in Manhattan, I would assume) <and ask them for the naturalization petition. In the petition file, there will <also be a certificate showing the ship on which he arrived. Many NARA <branches have the ship manifests, whcih will show, among other things, <nearest relative left behind in the old country. Both of these documents <will be interesting to you!!" Under the "New Law" copies of all naturalizations had to be sent to Washington, DC and can be accessed >from the BCIS under the Freedom of Information ACT (FOIA). However, NOT all were handled by a federal district court. Such courts are only available in certain select cities around the country. Many immigrants were naturalized in state, county and circuit courts as well. The naturalization file should include the Certificate of Arrival for any immigrant who arrived after September 1906, although this requirement was not strictly adhered to until several years later and may not appear in a state or county court file. When requesting the file, one should always ask for the complete naturalization file, not just the petition which was the final paper. Some clerks may decide that is all you want and "forget" to include the Declaration of Intent (first papers), certificate of arrival, later record of a name change, etc. RE Passenger lists: the question about the nearest relative in the old country was not added until 1907 so do not expect to see it on earlier lists, and if the shipping company was using up its old form supply, maybe not until a year or two later. Gladys Gladys Friedman Paulin, CG Winter Springs, FL Editor "OnBoard the Newsletter of the Board for Certification of Genealogists" CG, Certified Genealogist, is a Service Mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists and is used under license by Board-certified persons who meet program standards and periodic rigorous evaluations.
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Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
The copies of the Petitions that were filed with the federal government are
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*not* at NARA, they are still under the control of Citizenship and Immigration Service (formerly Immigration and Naturalization Service). To access them you need to make a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. You cannot get personal, direct access. What you find in various NARA Branch Archives (*not* in Washington) are mostly records of Federal Courts that performed Naturalizations (i.e. the Petitions and such that were filed in the courts' records, copies of which were sent to Washington at the time they were created.) Since some naturalizations were done by non-federal courts whose records were not deposited with NARA, NARA Branches do not have records on All naturalizations. But what they do have is usually indexed by surname and so reasonably easy to check, even though they are organized first by court, and so not fully integrated. Thosw indexes may also be available (they are on microfilm) through the Mormons. Peter Zavon Penfield, NY PZAVON@Rochester.rr.com "Stan Goodman" <SPAM_FOILER@hashkedim.com> wrote
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Adelle Gloger
Dear Genners,
Howie Axelrod < highwind1@comcast.net > wrote: I have in hane a copy of my Grandfather's "Certificate of Naturalization".** Albany County, NY has a naturalization index online. This is for Albany County only. There is also a printable form to request information. The website is: http://www.albanycounty.com/departments/achor/naturalizationindexes.asp?id=856 Adelle Weintraub Gloger Cleveland, Ohio agloger@aol.com
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Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:09:42 UTC, pzavon@rochester.rr.com (PeterStan - Please see my earlier message - Peter's information is correct, but your conclusion that the copies are at NARA is not correct. The copies were filed with the Bureau of Naturalization which is now the INS, and you can request them with a Freedom of Information Act request. NARA only has the documents of naturalizations that were performed in the Federal courts. Lisa Mendon, MA
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