adam wrote on 12 nov 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

Dear Genners

I need help in translation of German word Stangelberger

It seems to be a family name, not a word in the sense of language.

Names cannot be translated.

Somtimes their meaning can be reconstructed however.

I will try here without much historical validity:

http://dict.leo.org/?search=staengel

http://dict.leo.org/?search=berg

"the man >from the mountain with the [flower]stems" ???

I am sure the natives will have better solutions.

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Adam,

Word and name etymology both fascinate me. I could not find Stangelberger
or Stangel, but Berger means "person living on a mountain", >from Old High
German berg "mountain" - >from here:
http://tinyurl.com/7pllf

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~Miryam Collins~
Auburn, CA

Dear Genners

I need help in translation of German word Stangelberger

Thank you

Adam Richter

RYCHTER -Miedzyrzec Podlaski Area

Dr Shimon Barak wrote on 13 nov 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

Stange in German means pole
Stangelberg means "the hill with the pole"
Stangelberger is somebody living in "the hill with the pole"

Stange is somewhat different >from staengel, staengel.

Probably it means, IMHO:

Somone living in a place called: Stangelberg.

Though I cannot find the place,
there is a family name "von Stangelberg" on Google,
so a geographical location is not unlikely.


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Evertjan Hannivoort.
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MODERATOR NOTE: The "a" with an umlaut in the name "staengel"
was replaced with "ae" to accomodate our system.

*Like*: Goldberger, Silberberger.I can not translate
Stangel either but believe it has Polish origin or Latin.

Adam,

Word and name etymology both fascinate me. I could not find Stangelberger
or Stangel, but Berger means "person living on a mountain", >from Old High
German berg "mountain" - >from here:
http://tinyurl.com/7pllf

--
~Miryam Collins~
Auburn, CA >>>

Stange in German means pole
Stangelberg means "the hill with the pole"
Stangelberger is somebody living in "the hill with the pole"
Dr Shimon Barak

Dr Katalin Got wrote:

"Evertjan." < exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net > wrote in message
news:Xns970D8546DCC6eejj99@194.109.133.242...

Stange is somewhat different >from staengel, staengel.

Probably it means, IMHO:

Somone living in a place called: Stangelberg.

Though I cannot find the place,
there is a family name "von Stangelberg" on Google,
so a geographical location is not unlikely.

In Switzerland, there is a Luzern-Stangelberg Railway. So presumably there
is a place called Stangelberg but I can't find it.


--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)

Nick wrote on 14 nov 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

In Switzerland, there is a Luzern-Stangelberg Railway. So presumably
there is a place called Stangelberg but I can't find it.

I don't think so. On Google, there is only one text,
and that is used in many "wiki" look-alike sites.

That railway track goes to Engelberg!!!

So that would be a simple spelling mistake.

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"Evertjan." <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net> wrote

Op 15 Nov 2005 om 11:43, schreef Tom Venetianer dit:

There are over 3,000 Google entries for the Stangelberger surname, so
it is NOT a mistake, such name exists, and could be derived >from a
place. Also, I wouldn't demean Wikipedia, it is a serious attempt to
create the world's largest cooperative encyclopedia. Tom

Hi Tom,

1 it is not in Wikepedia, afaik, but in lookalikes.

2 if you follow the links to that railway "bahn" it is a branching track
to the terminal station called "Engelberg".

3 I didn't say Stangelberg does not exist, I was the one suggesting that
Stangelberger is not a man on a hill, but a man in a place called
Stangelberg.

4 There is even a family name "von Stangelberg" in Google.

I only think that that link to a railway station is a mistake, and the
place probably is not in Switserland.

Since the place cannot be found by contemporary map-engines,
[<http://www.viamichelin.com/> has a country entry "Europe", very
usefull,] I would wager, it is a place in eastern Europe, long since
renamed to a Slavic name.

However, it is not[yet?] in ShtetlSchleppers.

In fact, if you study the 3,000+ results on Google all but 300 are in
German, which doesn't suggest that it is a specifically Jewish name.

In fact, there was apparently a film in 1940 "Wiener G'schichten" where
there was a character of that name.

There was also apparently an Austrian artist called Rudolf Stangelberger.

If I key in do a search on Stangelberger and Jewish or Judisch, I obtain no
results. Whereas if I key in Landau and Jewish I obtain 55,000 results which
with possibly suggests that this is not a particularly Jewish name.

Do you have particular evidence that this is a Jewish name. After all this
might be like the Sherlock Holmes case of the dog that didn't bark.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)

Op 15 Nov 2005 om 11:43, schreef Tom Venetianer dit:

There are over 3,000 Google entries for the Stangelberger surname, so
it is NOT a mistake, such name exists, and could be derived >from a
place. Also, I wouldn't demean Wikipedia, it is a serious attempt to
create the world's largest cooperative encyclopedia. Tom

Hi Tom,

1 it is not in Wikepedia, afaik, but in lookalikes.

2 if you follow the links to that railway "bahn" it is a branching track
to the terminal station called "Engelberg".

3 I didn't say Stangelberg does not exist, I was the one suggesting that
Stangelberger is not a man on a hill, but a man in a place called
Stangelberg.

4 There is even a family name "von Stangelberg" in Google.

I only think that that link to a railway station is a mistake, and the
place probably is not in Switserland.

Since the place cannot be found by contemporary map-engines,
[<http://www.viamichelin.com/> has a country entry "Europe", very
usefull,] I would wager, it is a place in eastern Europe, long since
renamed to a Slavic name.

However, it is not[yet?] in ShtetlSchleppers.

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Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
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I think I must have got shunted onto a sidings on the
Engelberg to Stangelberger scenic railway, as I no
longer follow the genealogical context of this
discussion! I can however tell you that:

1. STANGELBERGER is a bona fide very Austrian name
[Tyrol perhaps?] and that there are 14 listed in the
on-line telephone directory of Austria today. I doubt
very much that they are Jewish - in fact looking at
the website of a pedigree German Shepherd dog called
Britta vom Stangelberg gave me a distinct cold chill.

2. Tragically there are hundreds of people called
STANGEL and variants murdered in the holocaust [see
Yad vashem] and not one STANGELBERGER. You would have
been more likely to find a STANGELBERGER camp guard
than an inmate.

3. Stangel, as has been stated, is a small stake or
stick - immortalised in the Salzstangerl, an Austrian
savoury cheese straw without cheese, but sprinkled
with salt. We all know what a *berg* is, but that is
irrelevant.

4. There is one Jew called Franziska STANGELMAYR
listed in Austrian State archives asset files for 1938
[dob 10 April 1890].
We can then find her buried in the Zentralfriedhof,
Vienna as Fanny: aged 54 died 07.04.1944 Gate 4 19k 11
17.

Fanny, confirms the existence of four-syllable Jewish
STAN-GEL-xxx-xxx surnames.

5. There are many Jewish families named STACHELBERG
[prickly mountain] to be found in Poland and Galicia
[spelled in Polish variants]. A Stachelbeere is a
gooseberry - so why not variants STANGELBERG and
STANGELBERGER - to sound super-Austrian?

Perhaps we should have looked under the gooseberry
bush for a tentative explanation of this name [if we
need to find one!] and not at the scenic Swiss
mountain railway?

Celia Male [U.K.]