In a message dated 7/15/2006,pymund@... writes:

<< One of my ancestors had the rare name combination "Eliezer Lieber".
This is an ancient, but rare, combination - Lieber is one of many
varieties of nicknames of Eliezer, such as Lipa, Lipman, Lieberman,
etc. meaning "beloved". (These can be found in the "Seder HaShemot",
printed in some editions of the "Shulchan Aruch" with section "Even
HaEzer".) I have never come across anyone else with this particular
variation. I suppose that anyone with the same name in his area is
likely related to him. >>

==Not so rare. Beider states "In Eastern Europe during the 19th century, the
hypocorism Liber was not unusual, while the full form Liberman was not used
anymore." Beider gives early examples of Liber >from Volhynia in 1563, Lvov in
1577, Hungary 1580 . . . . and in various Russian voter lists of 1912

==You are quite right, of course. Liber, Lieber, Liebman, Lipman etc, in all
their variant spellings, are kinnuyim for various names, chiefly Eliezer but
also Yehuda and YomTov. I wouldn't put too much store on the likelihood that
any other Lieber might be a relation, even if >from the same city. A Henry
might be a Harry or a Hal (and a Chaim in the synagogue) while his grandfather
and cousins, all named Chaim, would use another form of Henry--and might use
one name at home, one at work, and the third on their checking account.

Michael Bernet, New York

One of my ancestors had the rare name combination "Eliezer Lieber".
This is an ancient, but rare, combination - Lieber is one of many
varieties of nicknames of Eliezer, such as Lipa, Lipman, Lieberman,
etc. meaning "beloved". (These can be found in the "Seder HaShemot",
printed in some editions of the "Shulchan Aruch" with section "Even
HaEzer".) I have never come across anyone else with this particular
variation. I suppose that anyone with the same name in his area is
likely related to him. He lived in the Lviv (Lwow/Lvov/Lemberg) area of
Galicia (now Ukraine). He probably was named after an ancestor with
surname WITLIN or WITTLIN. Any one know someone else with this given name?

P. Y. Mund
pymund@...

In a message dated 7/16/2006 7:02:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
celiamale@... writes:

<< There is a holocaust victim called Emil LIEBERMANN [whose Hebrew name
may well have been Emanuel or Eliezier] who was born in Vienna on
09.07.1893. >>

==Emanuel is a Hebrew phrase >from the Bible and means "God is with us." It
is not, however, a Hebrew *name*

==Christians adopted it as a personal name based on a misreading, making the
assumption that Emanuel was a personal name prophesied by our prophets as
the name of the future Messiah.

==In the first half of the nineteenth century it was common in Germanic
countries for Jewish boys named [Menachem] Mendel to be given the civil name
Emanuel, but it was not a name common in the rituals of circumcision, Torah
reading, marriage, divorce or death. In the second half of the century, the name
Emil was preferred as civil name for [Menachem] Mendel, replacing Emanuel with
which it shared two initial and one final letters.

==My mother's gf, Menachem-Mendel Arjeh, b. 1806, was named Emanuel Loeb; my
father's sister's husband, b. 1889, Menachem in Hebrew, was named Emil.

==There is no reason why an Eliezer should not be named Emil (or Estevan,
Earl, Ernest etc), but it would not be common.

Michael Bernet, New York

Yossi Mund writes: One of my ancestors had the rare name combination
"Eliezer Lieber". This is an ancient, but rare, combination - Lieber
is one of many varieties of nicknames of Eliezer, such as Lipa,
Lipman, Lieberman, etc. meaning "beloved". (These can be found in the
"Seder HaShemot", printed in some editions of the "Shulchan Aruch"
with section "Even HaEzer".) I have never come across anyone else
with this particular variation. I suppose that anyone with the same
name in his area is likely related to him. He lived in the Lviv
(Lwow/Lvov/Lemberg) area of Galicia (now Ukraine). He probably was
named after an ancestor with surname WITLIN or WITTLIN. Any one know
someone else with this given name?>

Sadly I have to tell Yossi that there was a teenage holocaust victim
Eliezer LIEBER >from Rzesow [Lwow/Lvov/Lemberg]. There is a PoT from
Chaim, who I assume was his brother {'brat' and then Hebrew] - the
PoT says *son* and I have sent in a correction to that effect.
Eliezer LIEBER was born in Rzeszow, Poland in 1928 to Isak and
Sheindl [Sabina]. Eliezer perished in 1942 in Belzec, Poland at the
age of 14.

When you check LIEBERMAN{N} - Eliezer appear >from as far afield as
Latvia, Warsaw, Paris, Bukovina, Hungary, Romania, Lodz, Lwow, and
Lublin. We remember all of them here today.

Many Jews >from Lemberg settled in Vienna - I can offer Yossi an
interesting, and probably unconnected, combination >from Vienna:

LIEBREICH Lieber aged 78 died 20.06.1921

There is a holocaust victim called Emil LIEBERMANN [whose Hebrew name
may well have been Emanuel or Eliezier] who was born in Vienna on
09.07.1893.

As for WITTLIN - there are 6 WITTLIN graves in Vienna and these two
are definitely Galician:

Wittlin Baruch aged 31 buried 26.10.1915
Wittlin Feige aged 32 died 09.03.1933

We also have two WITLIN. The moral is: if you come >from Lemberg
remember to explore the Vienna link.

Celia Male [U.K.]