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Origin of PINCHERLE of Italy #general


Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

How/why does a writer chose their special nom de plume? That is a question I
pondered on when I discovered today that the real name of Alberto Moravia, the
Italian novelist and writer, was actually PINCHERLE. His father was Carlo
PINCHERLE - architect and painter.

We have recently had some discussion on our AustriaCzech SIG:
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech re the migration of Jews between Italy
and Bohemia/Moravia [both directions]. There were definitely PINK and PINKAS
living in Bohemia and most probably Moravia too in the late 1700s. Could
PINCHERLE be a diminutive? Did these Italian PINCHERLE originally come from
Bohemia or Moravia?

There are/were quite a few PINCHERLE in Italy [see Google]. In Livorno, I also
noted the name PINCARLE. There are four PINCHERLE buried in Vienna:

Zentralfriedhof Gate 1 7-14-73
Pincherle Adolf aged 28 buried 09.09.1880

Zentralfriedhof Gate 1 51-11-31 all buried together
Pincherle Angelo aged 17 buried 22.04.1906; Pincherle Jeanette aged 79 died
07.05.1940; Pincherle Wilhelm Dr. aged 63 buried 13.05.1918

PINCHERLE appear to be centred in the Trieste region [once part of the Habsburg
Empire]. Here is a reference to 56 PINCHERLE in Slovenia [Gorizia] Nova Gorica
{Rozna Dolina} http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/e-europe/yugoslavia.html

There are 13 PINCHERLE [some are duplicates but all >from Gorizia] listed on Yad
Vashem - all have POTs with extensive links. We remember them all here today.

I wonder if Alberto Moravia knew that his family had Moravian origins and that
is why he chose the name or was there another totally unconnected reason?
Has anyone read Alberto's autobiography and perhaps shed light on his family's
origins?

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote: If you are not a subscriber, you can still see Alberto arriving in NY
on Ancestry.com [one mention according to new Jewishgen rules] - however he is
mistranscribed as Alberts Pincherle Mora; Arrival Date: 12 Dec 1935; Estimated
birth year: abt 1907; Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Italian;Italian (South)
(Italian); Ship Name: Rex; Friend's Name: W Van Buren. Alberto makes another
trip in 1955 by plane. Please also note the arrival in NY of the famous
mathemetician Salvator PINCHERLE [born Trieste] in 1924. His address is given
as Villa PINCHERLE, Modena.


MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 12/12/2006 10:05:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
celiamale@yahoo.com writes:

<< I discovered today that the real name of Alberto Moravia, the
Italian novelist and writer, was actually PINCHERLE. His father was Carlo
PINCHERLE - architect and painter.

<< We have recently had some discussion on our AustriaCzech SIG:
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech re the migration of Jews between
Italy and Bohemia/Moravia [both directions]. There were definitely PINK and
PINKAS living in Bohemia and most probably Moravia too in the late 1700s.
Could PINCHERLE be a diminutive? Did these Italian PINCHERLE originally come
from Bohemia or Moravia? >>
Menk's dictionary of German-Jewish surnames refers Pincherle to
Pinkerle.
He attributes that name to Pincus [i.e. Pinchas] and says that Judah Loebel
ben Nathan PINKERLE was the father of Glueckel von Hameln (b 1645). He
gives a 1630 appearance of the name in Friuli-Venezia [Italy], a 1665
occurrence in Vienna, and a 1682 occurrence in Amsterdam (originating >from
Vienna.)

enc judaica:says that ALBERTO MORAVIA (Pincherle), (1907-1990)
was born in Rome, and took his pen name >from his immigrant father's
country of origin.

Michael Bernet, New York


Nick <tulse04-news1@...>
 

"Celia Male" <celiamale@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:246658.7632.qm@web54602.mail.yahoo.com...

Please also note the arrival in NY of the famous
mathemetician Salvator PINCHERLE [born Trieste] in 1924. His address is
given
as Villa PINCHERLE, Modena.
For the record his name is "Salvatore PINCHERLE".

Although I have a degree in maths I hadn't heard of him previously. I gather
that he was one of the founders of the field of functional analysis.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)


Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Many thanks to Michael Bernet, Rosanne Leeson and Nardo Bonomi for writing
about this subject.

Rosanne reminded me that I had written to the Austria-Czech SIG about PINCHERLE
in Oct 2006 in context with the fascinating da Ponte exhibition I had visited
in Vienna this summer. Lorenzo da Ponte, was ne 1749 as Emanuele CONEGLIANO in
Caneda the ghetto nr Venice. He was probably Mozart's most important
librettist. Emanuele's father, Geremia, was a leather merchant and his mother
was Rachel PINCHERLE.

Michael gave us a possible origin of the name "Menk's dictionary of
German-Jewish surnames refers Pincherle to Pinkerle. He attributes that name to
Pincus [i.e. Pinchas] and says that Judah Loebel ben Nathan PINKERLE was the
father of Glueckel von Hameln (b 1645). ......." and Michael further tells us
that Alberto Moravia chose his nom de plume [Moravia] because of the origin of
his *immigrant* father. If indeed his father was an immigrant it should be
possible to find out more as he was probably born in the period 1870-1880, when
records should be available.

I have just now found a slightly different story on the internet re the origin
of the nom de plume: Alberto PINCHERLE: il cognome Moravia e quello della nonna
paterna; ie he got his name >from his paternal grandfather.

Nardo Bonomi gives us an alternate possible meaning of the name PINCHERLE -
derived >from the German colloquial [slightly derogatory] word for peddlar.
This is a word I have tackled before: On 23 Feb 2005 I wrote to the
Austria-Czech SIG about the The Pinkeltrager of Gut Miskowitz - Tabor Kreis
[Bohemia]. They all had Schutz [protected status] although they were very poor
itinerants. Indeed they were also called Binkel or Pinkeljuden.

But I really wonder if that is the origin of the name PINCHERLE, when there are
people called PINK and PINKUS and variants in Bohemia and Moravia [see Menk's
explanation above]. I was thinking more of their *geographic* origin. If they
were peddlars who came >from Bohemia and Moravia and settled in this region of
Italy very early, they certainly brought quite a bit of talent with them as the
PINKERLE were eminent in many fields - literature, music, publishing, court
Jews, mathematics, rabbis etc.

But then I always knew the Moravians were a brainy lot. You only have to look
at the 1793 census of Bohemia to see that many of the teachers and rabbis
living in Bohemia at the time were >from Moravia. Nikolsburg, Prossnitz and
Boskowitz were centres of learning and excellence for many centuries, drawing
scholars to them >from far and wide.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote: The Austria-Czech SIG message archives can be searched with
appropriate keywords to retrieve these old postings.


MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 12/13/2006 1:07:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
celiamale@yahoo.com writes:

<< Michael gave us a possible origin of the name "Menk's dictionary of
German-Jewish surnames refers Pincherle to Pinkerle. He attributes that name
to
Pincus [i.e. Pinchas] and says that Judah Loebel ben Nathan PINKERLE was the
father of Glueckel von Hameln (b 1645). ......."
==Menk also suggests, without much enthusiasm,

and Michael further tells us
that Alberto Moravia chose his nom de plume [Moravia] because of the origin
of
his *immigrant* father. If indeed his father was an immigrant it should be
possible to find out more as he was probably born in the period 1870-1880,
when
records should be available.

< I have just now found a slightly different story on the internet re the
origin
of the nom de plume: Alberto PINCHERLE: il cognome Moravia e quello della
nonna
paterna; ie he got his name >from his paternal grandfather. >>

==my sources say variusly that his paternal grandmother was the source of his
Pincherle name
Moravia name

< Nardo Bonomi gives us an alternate possible meaning of the name
PINCHERLE -
derived >from the German colloquial [slightly derogatory] word for peddlar.
This is a word I have tackled before: On 23 Feb 2005 I wrote to the
Austria-Czech SIG about the The Pinkeltrager of Gut Miskowitz - Tabor Kreis
[Bohemia]. They all had Schutz [protected status] although they were very
poor
itinerants. Indeed they were also called Binkel or Pinkeljuden. >

==Menk also offers the name PINHEL, >from [Portgs]. Pinhal, a stand of
pines. Scanning down Menk's list of names starting with MOR, we get a few
Hispanic names and at least one French name, Polish and Czech variants for
"Moravian," and MORdecai.

==With all those genes shared with Glickel/Hammeln, Mozart, and Alberto
Moravia, I would guess the Pincherle family did not stay in the itinerant
peddling business for long.

==The impression I got >from the various online clues, and >from Menk's
mention of Venice as home of one of the branches, is that whatever the humble
origin of the name may have been, they were international traders for the past 3-4
centuries, straddling Italy, Austria, Amsterdam. Perhaps even the PINKERtons
were secret Pinckerles.

Michael Bernet, New York


Nick <tulse04-news1@...>
 

"Celia Male" <celiamale@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:246658.7632.qm@web54602.mail.yahoo.com...

I wonder if Alberto Moravia knew that his family had Moravian origins and
that > is why he chose the name or was there another totally unconnected reason?
Has anyone read Alberto's autobiography and perhaps shed light on his
family's > origins?
Wikipedia says that was his father's mother's maiden name.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)


Jules Levin
 

How/why does a writer chose their special nom de plume? That is a question
I pondered on when I discovered today that the real name of Alberto Moravia,
the Italian novelist and writer, was actually PINCHERLE.
snip>>>>>>>>>

You may add to the puzzle the Italian Jewish writer Italo Svevo >from Trieste.
His real name was Schmidt. Trieste, part of Austria, seems
to have been an entry point into Italy for Ashkenazi
Jews.
Jules Levin