The meaning of "private person" #general


Alexander Sharon
 

Janette Levey Frisch wrote
Yesterday I was looking at the death record of my great great grandmother
Rywke Milmud Eisenberg >from Jezierzany (now Ozeryany) on October 11, 1888.
With the help of some online programs and indices I was able to see that her
parents were named in the record and that her father's occupation translated
as "private person".
Jannete,

Perhaps you can share the original description ( I presume it was in Polish)
of this unique profession.
I am just curious since I have never seen before such profession.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab


MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/6/2007 3:03:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
a.sharon@shaw.ca writes:

<< Janette Levey Frisch wrote
Yesterday I was looking at the death record of my great great grandmother
Rywke Milmud Eisenberg >from Jezierzany (now Ozeryany) on October 11, 1888.
With the help of some online programs and indices I was able to see that her
parents were named in the record and that her father's occupation translated
as "private person".
<<< Perhaps you can share the original description ( I presume it was
in Polish) of this unique profession. I am just curious since I have never
seen before such profession.

Alexander Sharon >>>

==In German (and perhaps in French) there is a vaguely similar 19th century
expression that denotes a pensioner. My German dictionary defines Privatier
as a person with an independent income.

==The British had an expression "gentleman," still in use in 1952 to denote
the occupations of the (deceased) fathers of bride and groom at my wedding in
London. Her father had been a trader in Mandalay; mine had been a
manufacturer in Germany and England.

==My dictionary offers nine definitions of the label "gentleman." They
include:
* a man of good family, breeding, or social position.
* a man of good social standing, as a noble, or a commoner bearing or
entitled to use a coat of arms.
* a man with an independent income who does not work for a living.

==In general, the "occupation" label in 19th century records was intended to
suggest social standing at a time when people were classified as churchmen,
officers, soldiers, landowners, farmers, peasants, laborers, or independently
wealthy."Gentleman" was a catchall for those who didn't fit any of the other
categories, and was neither an aristocrat nor a pauper.

==Russia, after Czar Alexander I, sought modernization by importing
social patterns, technology and experts >from Germany France and England.
The terminology for these was imported at the same time.

Michael Bernet


henry
 

Also consider the English "Person of private means", meaning someone who was
wealthy enough, or had enough income (say, >from investments), not to need a
job or profession.

Henry Best [London]


Alexander Sharon
 

Michael Bernet wrote
==Russia, after Czar Alexander I, sought modernization by importing
social patterns, technology and experts >from Germany France and England.
The terminology for these was imported at the same time.
Does it also qualify under those definitions a Jewish woman in 1888 sleepy
shtetl located on the eastern edges of Austro-Hungary?
I'd love to see the original document

Alexander Sharon
Calgary


MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/6/2007 7:26:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
a.sharon@shaw.ca writes:

==Russia, after Czar Alexander I, sought modernization by importing
social patterns, technology and experts >from Germany France and England.
The terminology for these was imported at the same time.
Does it also qualify under those definitions a Jewish woman in 1888 sleepy
shtetl located on the eastern edges of Austro-Hungary?
I'd love to see the original document

==Of course. The government clerks were in charge of registrations (or they
gave very clear instructions to the Jewish authorities) and they followed
the rules and vocabularies dictated >from Moscow or/especially, by the Austrian
bureaucracy trying to bring the "wild" and impoverished provinces up to
"Viennese civilization."

Michael Bernet