German Litvaks #general


AUBREY JACOBUS <aajacobus@...>
 

No one has yet explained why there so many instances where families
from Lithuania are found recorded as being born in Germany-in UK census -
Lithuania was under Imperial Russia (1795-1914) -
Only Memel in a tiny enclave was part of the Prussian Empire
In the TV programme tracing the history of Suchet family it emerged that
Memel was outide the Pale of Settlemant and that Lithuanian Jews who
moved there were able to emigrate easily.

Aubrey Jacobus


Allan Blacher <allanblacher@...>
 

On 4 Nov, 05:12, aajaco...@... (AUBREY JACOBUS) wrote:

No one has yet explained why there so many instances where families
from Lithuania are found recorded as being born in Germany-in UK census -
Lithuania was under Imperial Russia (1795-1914) -
Only Memel in a tiny enclave was part of the Prussian Empire
In the TV programme tracing the history of Suchet family it emerged that
Memel was outide the Pale of Settlemant and that Lithuanian Jews who
moved there were able to emigrate easily.
One possible answer - I have a number of instances of family going
from the Rasein area to Koeningsberg in Germany for the birth of their
children. This is said to be on account of the superior medical
facilities but this is conjecture. This would cause those involved to
claim 'birth' in Germany whilst being Litvaks. Hope this is helpful!
Allan Blacher


Boris Feldblyum <boris.feldblyum@...>
 

Many Lithuanian Jews - who could afford it - sent their wives to
Koenigsberg to give birth. The reason? - quality of medical care. I
heard it >from a woman who grew up in the 1920's-30's in Kovno, but the
"tradition" must have started much earlier.

Regarding Memel, there were relatively few Jews as permanent
residents. Memel was a port city and a point of departure for many,
but not a destination city to "emigrate easily" >from in the future.
Nearby Shavli, *in* the Pale of Settlement, was home to twice as many
Jews.

Boris Feldblyum


Alexander Sharon
 

Aubrey Jacobus

No one has yet explained why there so many instances where families
from Lithuania are found recorded as being born in Germany-in UK census -
Lithuania was under Imperial Russia (1795-1914) -
Only Memel in a tiny enclave was part of the Prussian Empire
In the TV programme tracing the history of Suchet family it emerged that
Memel was outide the Pale of Settlemant and that Lithuanian Jews who
moved there were able to emigrate easily.
Jews were escaping mid 17th century (1648-1651) pogroms initiated during
Khmelnitsky Uprising through Lithuania and Poland territory - this period is
known in our history as "Catastrophe".
Litvaks have landed in Hamburg >from were their were expelled and in
Amsterdam amongst the Jewish Portugese colony.

One was of the reasons that Menasseh Ben Israel (Manoel Dias Soeiro) has
petitioned Cromwell for the readmission Jews to England was to move Litvaks
to Albion.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab


Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
 

My family in Russia also went to Germany to the doctor, and my gg
uncle was born in a hospital, according to his descendents - this
was about 1860! They lived in the then-border town of Raczki near
Augustow.

They also said they were Litvaks - but I don't think they meant
'>from Lithuania' which didn't exist. Litvaks were the Northern
Ashkenazi, regardless of country; the Galicianers lived in the South,
again regardless of country. However there were many cultural
differences (which you can check online), and if a Litvak moved to
Ukraine they stayed Litvaks - at least most did.

Sally Bruckheimer
Piscataway, NJ


Sandra Levy <shula2933@...>
 

Many Lithuanians tried to obtain or claimed Prussian citizenship so as
not to be drafted into the Russian army. This is also one of the
reasons why many Litvaks changed their names to more German sounding
names. Also confined to live in the Pale of Settement Jews were not
free to travel wherever they wanted and most could not enter
non-Jewish areas unless they had special permits. Those who made it to
Memel and got German citizenship were then free to travel as they
pleased.

Also Germany was known for its doctors. Rabbi Israel Lipkin Salanter
moved >from Lithuania to Prussia to obtain medical tratment >from German
doctors.

Sandra Levy - Jerusalem
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