Where in the world ZZ SHAPIRO my great-great grandfather.... #general
Yonatan Shapiro <yonatanshapiro@...>
Dear Fellow Genners,
I have been researching my family history for the past 11 ½ years.
The search on my mother's side has been successful. My father's side
has not been as successful mainly do to the little information they
know and the lack of communication between the different branches.
Sadly, despite SHAPIRO being a common name the amount of SHAPIRO's
which are related to me I can count on my fingers. My goal is to find
out the exact name of my gg grandfather and his whereabouts. This
hopefully will give me a clue to what his father's name was and may
find some other SHAPIRO's which I can call them relatives. Which I so
-The clues that I have
The person I am looking for is Zalman Vevel SHAPIRO. According to his
grandson named after him. This grandson also claimed that he was
buried in the Gomel Chesed Cemetery on the Elizabeth/Newark border.
Zalman had five surviving children out of nine. They were
Herman/Chaim (1870), Ida (1880) (LEVENSON), Thomas/Tanchum (1875),
Nathan (1884), and Samuel. (Nathan and Sam went out looking for gold)
Zalman married Brocha (daughter of Yechiel) KRINZMAN. On the 1900
census record and her death record, she is known as Rebecca Shapiro
and she was already a widow. According to her death record she was
born 1850 and passed away 1914. She immigrated in 1897. Her son Herman
came 1881, Ida 1895, and Nathan came 1896. I am not sure when my
great grandfather Thomas came however I found his marriage record in
Manhattan. He was married on Apr 21 1898 he and his wife were living
in Manhattan. He writes is parents names are Solomon SHAPIRO and
Broche KRINSMAN. The rabbi was Simon SOLOMON, Rabbi of O.S.C.B. What
does that stand for?
Our Orgins come >from Roguva, Lithuania or near by towns... The family
mainly lived in Carteret, NJ, which is in Woodbridge section of
Middlesex County. There are those who say our true last name is
I am trying to prove them wrong. Another funny thing is on his son
Thomas 's grave it writes Tanchum ben Zeev Zalman not Zalman Zeev i.e
Zalman Vevel... I seem to believe that a live daughter knew her
We are limited in funds nevertheless in means much to us to climb the
ladder of the SHAPIRO tree.
Please send me your comments how what how we can find this missing
If I understand this correctly, you have been told the following,
which may or may not be true:
1. Your ggf is Zalman Vevel SHAPIRO, but his surname may be Getzel,
even though that is normally a given name.
2. He probably died before 1900. He does not appear in the 1900 census,
and there are few records extant >from the 1890 census.
3. He is reportedly buried in Gomel Khesed Cemetery on the Newark/
Elizabeth border. That cemetery actually appears to be a landsmanschaft
of what is alternatively know as McClellan or Mt Olivet cemeteries after
the closest intersection.
I think you need someone to look at the tombstone and the cemetery
records, and someone to check out the death certificate, which is probably
in the archives in Trenton NJ. Perhaps a Gener in each of those areas
will volunteer to do that for you once the weather improves.
By the way, I would be suspicious of the proposition that his wife
immigrated in 1897, more than a dozen years after her sons came to the U.S.
San Diego CA