Clarification of Hebrew date... #general


Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Dear fellow Genners,

I am in possession of a small family memento, a 2-inch silver dish inscribed as a
remembrance of a family member's 70th birthday. The date is given as:
4. Shabat 5687.
I have figured out that the year is 1927, which does indeed correspond with her
date of birth, which was 1857. No more precise date was given me. What is not
clear to me is what is meant by
"4.Shabat" .

I would be most appreciative if someone more knowledgeable than I could
offer an explanation.

Rosanne Leeson
Los Altos, CA USA


Klausner
 

To Rosanne and all friends shalom,

Please, please: When you ask a question about a Hebrew word or phrase, please
make sure that you read it correctly. The best way is to provide a link to the
original or to post the original on ViewMate. Even spelling out the Hebrew
letters in transliteration is not enough, because some of the letters are easily
misread: a nun may look as a gimel, a bet like a kaf and so on.

As we well know in genealogy, enough errors are perpetuated by hasty clerks or
by the ignorance or confusion of the submitter of the record himself - we don't
have to add errors.

To your question; It is probably Shevat (the Jewish month) and not Shabat. The
last letter of the word is probably tet, not tav, please check. But again, I
cannot be sure unless I see the original.

Best wishes and Shabat Shalom, Yocheved

Yocheved Klausner
Beer Sheva
yklaus@netvision.net.il

Rosanne Leeson wrote:

I am in possession of a small family memento, a 2-inch silver dish inscribed
as a remembrance of a family member's 70th birthday. The date is given as:
4. Shabat 5687....


Susan&David
 

Rosanne:

The months of the Jewish Calendar are given here:
http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/judaism/qt/jewishmonths.htm
Your date is 4 Shevat 5687.
Use this page to convert Hebrew date to Gregorian date:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JOS/josdates.htm

David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 8/26/2010 6:01 PM, Rosanne Leeson wrote:
I am in possession of a small family memento, a 2-inch silver dish
inscribed as a remembrance of a family member's 70th birthday. The
date is given as: 4. Shabat 5687.


Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Rosanne Leeson wrote on 27 aug 2010 in soc.genealogy.jewish:
I am in possession of a small family memento, a 2-inch silver dish inscribed
as a remembrance of a family member's 70th birthday. The date is given as:
4. Shabat 5687.
I have figured out that the year is 1927, which does indeed correspond with
her date of birth, which was 1857. No more precise date was given me.
I think 1926.

The 7th month >from Nissan [start of the ecclesiastical year] is Tishrei
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tishrei>
even though it is the first month of the civil year.

Because it is the 7th it is called the "Shabbos month".

Then this would be 4 Tishrei 5687.

5687 + 240 - 4000 = 1927

However as this is after! Roshhashone, it must be one common era year earlier:
[5770 starts in 2009 and ends in 2010.]

So:

12 Sept 1926 before sunset.

<http://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=27&gm=8&gy=2010&hd=4&hm=Tishrei&hy=
5687&h2g=Compute+Gregorian+Date>
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Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)


Ira Leviton
 

Dear Cousins,

Shabat is not 'shabbos' but the month of Shvat. (Think of the holiday Tu
B'Shvat.) '4. Shabat 5687' is most likely 4 Shvat 5687.

Using the calendar converter at http://www.hebcal.com/converter/, it's
January 7, 1927, or the evening of January 6.

Ira
Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.