Challenge find my great grandparents NYC marriage #general

A. E. Jordan

Thanks to everyone who wrote back to the list or to me privately with
suggestions on how to find my great grandparents' marriage certificate.

It did not work .... but maybe someone is up for the challenge to crack
the mystery or knock down this brick wall.

The known facts:
-- Barnett SANDERS naturalized October 14, 1887 in Manhattan using that
name -- he was born circa 1863 in the area around Odessa and immigrated
to the USA with his parents and two brothers circa 1881
-- Barnett Sanders is a name he adopted in the USA -- his birth name is
Schmuelevitz and his Hebrew first name is with a "P" and most likely
-- he sometimes went by Barney
-- he is the son of Nathan and Elka Schmuelevitz

-- Eva NATHAN appears to arrive in New York in February 1883 coming over
helping a family (not her own) with their children
-- Eva was born in Germany circa 1867 the daughter of Moses and Rose

-- their first child is born in Manhattan on January 3, 1889

I have tried the obvious searches on line, in person at the Archives and
in the original paper index as well. I tried using the first letters and
wild cards, tried the last letters, tried just for people named Barney or
Barnett or Eva. I looked at spellings like Barnat. I have tried every
combination of wild cards I can think of for these two names.

I can find the other brothers getting married. I can find them in every
census >from 1890 to when they died. I can find the birth of all the
children. But I am stuck at Barnett's naturalization and cannot find his
marriage. Unfortunately the Naturalization is only one page so it gives no
clues to his marital status, only his address and his occupation.

Maybe I am overlooking something and someone can scale this wall.

Allan Jordan

Rita Margolies

Response to Allan Jordan and his search for his great grandparents' marriage
certificate. I searched for 15 years for my grandparents' marriage
certificate. I knew they were married because there was a divorce
proceeding. I had always assumed the my grandfather's name was Scher and my
grandmother's name was Roth, which is what had been used for years and both
had been here a few years by the time they married. I used the bride and
groom indexes on Italian Genealogy to search, but no luck. Finally I decided
to use Rothang, which was my gm's birth name, and there she was! It was
amazing. I just assumed they were using their American names, but I guess
for something so legal they decided to use their original birth names. My gf
was listed as Shur, but on the wedding certificate that last name was
spelled three different ways. My suggestion is to use the birth name with as
many variations as possible for both the given and surname, and use the
bride and groom indexes. I was never able to find these people in the census
anywhere under any name. My husband's theory is that they were spies and
eradicated all record of their existence<g>.

Rita Margolies