Budy Gizynskie, Wielinskie Budy - any Jews there? #general


Jake Jacobs
 

Jewishgen sleuths, I would appreciate your help. I have tried for
years to figure out where my g'grandparents lived before they came
to the US in 1887. I have a new clue I am having trouble interpreting.

First, a little background: All I knew (or believed growing up) was
that Bessie HANTMAN/ALTMAN was >from Odessa, and David GOLDMAN was >from
"the far north of Poland." David was a shochet, at least in the US; if
he did the same in Poland, he must have been accessible to a Jewish
community.

Census data for 1900, 1910, 1920 listed David's origin as Russia,
Austria, and Austria. Have not found naturalization records. He died
in 1924. Ship manifest out of Hamburg listed his previous residence
as "Lubo, Russland." Of course, this may well be where they stayed
while waiting for the ship, not where they initially lived. I have
checked records for all 9 children, including the 4 children who came
to US with the parents, and one (passport app) lists birthplace as
"Getzinet Velinsky, Russia." Struggled w this for years. Finally, a
librarian at the Library of Congress found, in north Poland, 2 towns,
called "Budy Gizynskie" and "Wielinskie Budy." Coordinates for
Gisynskie: 52:51N, 20:18E. Wielinskie Budy: 52:52N, 20:24E. Budy
Gyzynskie: 52:51N, 20:22E. They are about 17 miles south of Mlawa, 53
miles northwest of Warsaw. Masovian voivodship, Mlawa County,
Strzegowo Gmina. I found nothing in the shtetl-finder on Jewishgen
for any of the 3 towns. Wikipedia neatly shows where it lies, at
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budy_Gizynskie.

Some questions:
1. Was there a Jewish community in this area, aside >from Mlawa?
2. Does this explanation of "Getzinet Vilinsky" make sense to you?
3. If yes -- suggestions as to where to look for records?

Many, many thanks.

Diane Jacobs
Austin, Texas

Researching Jacobs/Goldman/Goldstein/Hantman/Walsky/Alderman/Teicher/
Altman/Davis/Gondos/ Havas/Feuerlicht/Holics/Bleuer/Bleier/Planer/
Hochvald/Friedman


Erika Herzog
 

Diane,

To answer your questions:

1. Yes! There are a lot of surrounding Jewish areas around Mlawa

2. Without being a native Russian speaker the English transliteration
is very slippery / difficult. If the LoC librarian was able to find
the connection (what was their source?) that sounds like a potential
answer. The area you are referring to was under different occupation
many times over the years, so the Russian name is probably only one
town variation. There would be Russian, Polish, German, Yiddish, etc.
variations....

3. See below for suggestions on where to look -- short answer, look in
surrounding communities

The name Altman is a repeated listing in my town records (Radzanow,
Poland) and that region of Poland is an area where I have a lot of
different family origins, so your post intrigued me.

There are some map resources that can be helpful in trying to answer
your problem and/or provide your with research direction.

I am going to list the steps I took so you can replicate them --
hopefully this will be helpful. That is the "long answer".

That said: The "short answer" is that in order to find super small
towns like the one you are looking for, you may have to "telescope
out" and search in the larger administrative districts and nearby
JewishGen listed shtetls and towns for information about your
relatives. Which makes sense, because if Jews lived in towns with very
few other Jews, they would have had to go to local larger towns for
their religious needs and record keeping.

As an example: In my family, one of our families literally lived at a
crossroads of two roads. There was a sign (which I think was a bit
ironic and was a source of humor for the family) for the "town" but it
really wasn't a town. Sokolowy Kat, Poland is the name of the place,
but my family was the only Jewish family there, was actually the only
family / house there.

But back to your search:

I found a Wikipedia entry of the town
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budy_Gizynskie), which provides the
longitude and latitude, information you have. But also important is
the fact that it tells you the administrative district -- Gmina
Strzegowo.

Steps to the information I found:

INTERNET WINDOW 1

1. JewishGen.org (http://www.jewishgen.org/): SEARCH, use middle
search box "Search for a town", enter "Strzegowo"

2. Click on second listing "Strzegowo, Poland"

3. At bottom of map on this locality page, click on "JewishGen Resource Map"

This leads to a fabulous, underutilized / underpublicized map resource
on JewishGen, called "JewishGen Resource Map"

you should see something like this link:
http://data.jewishgen.org/maps/mapdist8.asp?lat=52.9000&long=20.2833

INTERNET WINDOW 2

1. Go to town Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budy_Gizynskie

2. Under map, click on live link "Coordinates: 52°52'N 20°22'E"

This leads to a fabulous, underutilized / underpublicized map resource
on Wikipedia, called a "Geo Hack"

3. Click on Google Maps "Map" link

I looked up Gmina Strzegowo and then went to the under-used / not as
known resource -- JewishGen Resource Mapping, which is located in a
link at the bottom of the map on the Locality page:

you should see something like this link:
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.866667,20.366667&q=loc:52.866667,20.366667&hl=en&t=m&z=12

COMPARISON

I compared the two internet window map results, which are both
navigable, clickable, etc.

Basically your town is too small to show up and no other genealogist
have listed it as a town of origin.

RECOMMENDED APPROACH

I would search the towns that have the trees on them on the JewishGen
Resource Map. Look at the nearby records for your surnames. I think
you will find quite a few ALTMANs. Use JRI-Poland to see the surname
listings, use all of the locality page resources (Yizkor books, etc.).
Just because your small town is not listed specifically does not mean
that records of your family in nearby towns don't exist.

Sometimes, especially in this area of Poland, the religious community
had to travel to the smaller towns on a sort of "circuit" so records
of Birth, Marriage, Death were often delayed for months before they
made it into the nearby town repositories.

Apologies, didn't mean for this response to be so long. I hope it is
at least partially helpful -- and that folks are more aware of these
great mapping resources.

Erika Herzog
I love maps! :)

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Jake Jacobs <jake6621@hotmail.com> wrote:

to US with the parents, and one (passport app) lists birthplace as
"Getzinet Velinsky, Russia." Struggled w this for years. Finally, a
librarian at the Library of Congress found, in north Poland, 2 towns,
called "Budy Gizynskie" and "Wielinskie Budy." Coordinates for
Gisynskie: 52:51N, 20:18E. Wielinskie Budy: 52:52N, 20:24E. Budy
Gyzynskie: 52:51N, 20:22E. They are about 17 miles south of Mlawa, 53
miles northwest of Warsaw. Masovian voivodship, Mlawa County,
Strzegowo Gmina. I found nothing in the shtetl-finder on Jewishgen
for any of the 3 towns. Wikipedia neatly shows where it lies, at
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budy_Gizynskie.

Some questions:
1. Was there a Jewish community in this area, aside >from Mlawa?
2. Does this explanation of "Getzinet Vilinsky" make sense to you?
3. If yes -- suggestions as to where to look for records?