Surname "CHERRY" #general


cherryg@telus.net
 

I am searching for information on the above surname whose roots I
believe are of "Russian" origin. My grandparents were designated
"Russian citizens" in the 1901 UK census having arrived in the UK in
the period 1894/1896. They lived in London (UK) most of their life
and had many children..

Gordon Cherry


rita shapiro <rivke@...>
 

CHERRY in Yiddish/German also translates to KIRSCH or KIRSCHEN
(plural) and KIRSTEIN which translates in French to CHIRSEN and any
variation of these names that one might think of would witness the
rule to use your imagination to think of other possibilities. My own
experience of finding my Father's second cousin who recalled hearing
his Father lament the fact that my Father had "changed" his name to
KIRSTEIN to give the family a little more panache perhaps with a name
of German sounding derivation.

Rita KIRSTEIN SHAPIRO
DIAMANT, KIRSCHEN, FRANKEL, POSNER, Suchostow and area in Austrian Galicia

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Malcolm Gordon Cherry
cherryg@telus.net <jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:
I am searching for information on the above surname whose roots I
believe are of "Russian" origin. My grandparents were designated
"Russian citizens" in the 1901 UK census having arrived in the UK in
the period 1894/1896. They lived in London (UK) most of their life
and had many children..


tom
 

Not being an expert, I can try to provide some "clues" , based on the
limited information that you included.

I would guess that CHERRY is not a Russian name, and is likely an
anglicized version, hopefully derived >from their original name.
names like CHERNIKOVSKY come to mind, and CHORNYI in Russian (and
related slavic languages) means "black".

And it is worth keeping in mind that, at various times, the term
"Russia" referred to other areas, including Poland, Lithuania,
Belarus, and the Ukraine, with major jewish communities. (see
wikipedia article,
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Russia_(1892%E2%80%931917 >)

[MODERATOR NOTE: tinyurl for the above Wikipedia article is
http://tinyurl.com/m5bsguz ]

tom klein, Toronto

"cherryg@telus.net" <cherryg@telus.net> wrote:

I am searching for information on the above surname whose roots I
believe are of "Russian" origin. My grandparents were designated
"Russian citizens" in the 1901 UK census having arrived in the UK in
the period 1894/1896. They lived in London (UK) most of their life
and had many children.


Paul Silverstone
 

My CHERRY relatives came >from north of Warsaw; the original
name was VISHNICK which I understand is Polish for cherry.

Paul Silverstone
New York, NY

"cherryg@telus.net" <cherryg@telus.net> wrote:

I am searching for information on the above surname whose roots I
believe are of "Russian" origin. My grandparents were designated
"Russian citizens" in the 1901 UK census having arrived in the UK in
the period 1894/1896.


Louis Kessler
 

"Cherry" sounds close to the Russian "Charney" meaning "black"
often translated >from the Yiddish "Schwartz".

The Hungarian part of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire was divided
into 4 provinces:

White, Black, Big, & Little
hence: Weiss, Schwartz, Gross, & Klein.

Louis Kessler
Philadelphia, PA


Judy Floam <jfloam@...>
 

Just a minor caveat about one item in this thread. "Schmaltz" might mean
lard in some European language, but in Yiddish it means chicken fat.
Yiddish speaking people would not be eating lard.

Judy Floam

Thomas Klein tomk@ecologicaltech.com wrote:
It would be helpful if you could preface such fanciful folklore with
something like "bubbe-meisse".

This fable has been discussed (and debunked) at length, if you look in the message
archives. for example:

By a miracle a list of old and new names taken by Jews in 1787 >from and near
Bonyhad, Tolna county survived and was published in Magyar-Zsido
Okleveltar/Monumenta Hungariae Judaica...268 old and new names of which:
SCHWARZ 0
WEISS 0
GROSS 0
KLEIN 4
There are strange names:
Krautkopf = Cabbagehead
Schwantz = Tail
Ku = ?
Hay = Hay
Ritz and Ritzkopf
Schmaltz = Lard...


tom
 

It would be helpful if you could preface such fanciful folklore with something like
"bubbe-meisse".

Just for a start, Hungary wasn't organized into provinces, but into many counties,
none of which had names like "black" or "white", but now someone will cite your
message as "proof"!

This fable has been discussed (and debunked) at length, if you look in the message
archives. for example:

Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 22:10:26 -0500
From: "Louis Schonfeld" <lmagyar@en.com>
Subject: Re: SCHWARZ, WEISS, GROSS, KLEIN etc. as names in Hungary
The story is apocryphal. Learn the truth about Hungarian Jewish names by
visiting the H-sig website, sponsored by Jewishgen.
Louis Schonfeld
MBernet@aol.com wrote in message
> Ten or fifteen years ago, long before I had an interest in
genealogy, I was
> told that when Hungarian Jews were required to take surnames, that the Jews
were divided into four groups: Black, White, Large and Small -- hence the
four very common Hungarian names:Schwartz, Weiss, Gross and Klein. >>
and this one in reply to the same posting:

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:59:57 +0100 (MET DST)
From: Ujlaki Gyorgy <ujlaki.gyorgy@drotposta.hu>
Subject: Re: SCHWARZ, WEISS, GROSS, KLEIN etc. as names in Hungary
By a miracle a list of old and new names taken by Jews in 1787 >from and near
Bonyhad, Tolna county survived and was published in Magyar-Zsido
Okleveltar/Monumenta Hungariae Judaica. Its German title (it was the official
language at that time) is: Vezeichnis deren in Markt Bonyhad und dazu geherigen
Ortschaften Befuendlichen Juden vor hin gefihrte und Beinahmen dan dero mahlen
nach Allerhochsten Vorschrift neu angenohmene Vor und geschlechts Namen.
It contains 268 old and new names of which:
SCHWARZ 0
WEISS 0
GROSS 0
KLEIN 4
There are strange names:
Krautkopf = Cabbagehead
Schwantz = Tail
Ku = ?
Hay = Hay
Ritz and Ritzkopf
Schmaltz = Lard
Gyorgy Ujlaki, Budapest, Hungary
and there are more - just search for "KLEIN and GROSS", etc.

....... tom klein, toronto
Louis Kessler <louiskessler@hotmail.com> wrote:

"Cherry" sounds close to the Russian "Charney" meaning "black"
often translated >from the Yiddish "Schwartz".

The Hungarian part of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire was divided
into 4 provinces:

White, Black, Big, & Little
hence: Weiss, Schwartz, Gross, & Klein.