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Patrick Atlas <patrick.atlas@...>
My great-uncle, Edward Atlas, born in Lemberg, Galicia, in 1891, was
living in Vienna, Austria >from 1892 to 1939, with his family. He underwent the JudenAktion in 1938 and was interned in Dachau then Buchenwald, like thousand of Jewish people. He was released in 1939. He fled to Venezuela, probably around 1939-1940, with his wife Charlotte Atlas (a 1st cousin). I have found that Charlotte was a passenger of the famous ship MS-Louis, she came back in the Netherlands. I have found a ship travel for Charlotte, >from Rotterdam to Caracas, departure May 9, 1940. Then they were living in Caracas, Venezuela, possibly >from 1940 to at least 1951, when they emigrated to Denver, USA. He was a furrier. My questions are: -how can I find a manifest of passengers of the travel >from Rotterdam to Caracas? -how can I get information about their stay in Venezuela? Thanks for any information. Patrick Atlas Paris, France |
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A. E. Jordan
From: Pamela Weisberger
You might have luck with the Holland-American Line collection of outboundThis will not work because Holland-America Line (Nederlandsche Amerikaansche Stoomvaart Maatschappij) was a North Atlantic steamship company. They were founded in 1873 (a predecessor dates to 1871) and continued to offer trans- Atlantic service between Holland and North America into the 1960s and 1970s. In 1888 they tried to expand to run to Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina but that only lasted >from 1888 to 1890. At that point they became strictly a North Atlantic carrier. I do not believe they ever maintained any regular service to Venezuela except for cruises >from New York. There were several other shipping firms that provided service to South America although Venezuela is mostly in the shipping parlance linked with the Central America service. Shipping firms most often refer to South American service when they are thinking of Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay. from 1906 to 1936 there was a firm called Koninklijke Hollandsche Lloyd (RoyalHolland Lloyd) but they also stopped service too early for this question. If it was a Dutch ship that this person sailed on the most likely candidates would be ships >from Rotterdam-Zuid Amerika Lijn (Rotterdam South American Line). They had two cargo ships that carried 24 passengers each in the 1939-1940 time frame. The ships were the Alphacca and the Alpherat and they also had a few smaller cargo ships that carried 12 passengers each. I think the ones in service at this time would have been the Alcyone and the Aldabi plus maybe ships called Alchiba, Gemma, Algorab, Alhena, Aldura, Zosmar, and Alwaki. They were all small freighters carrying only a few passengers. I have no idea if any records survive >from this shipping company. The firm was still in business into the 1980s but only operating cargo ships. Pamela mentioned the Rotterdam City Archives which has some information and might be worth contacting. Also Rotterdam has a large maritime museum which also has an extensive research library/collection. You might try contacting them for more information. They might also be able to put you in touch with a Dutch maritime historian who might have more details on what ships were sailing in this period. That would be your best bets, I think. Allan Jordan PS -- In addition to the genealogy I am a maritime historian |
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Pamela Weisberger
Patrick Atlas writes:
"My great-uncle, Edward Atlas, born in Lemberg, Galicia, in 1891, was living in Vienna, Austria >from 1892 to 1939, with his family. He underwent the JudenAktion in 1938 and was interned in Dachau then Buchenwald, like thousand of Jewish people. He was released in 1939. He fled to Venezuela, probably around 1939-1940, with his wife Charlotte Atlas (a 1st cousin). I have found that Charlotte was a passenger of the famous ship MS-Louis, she came back in the Netherlands.I have found a ship travel for Charlotte, >from Rotterdam to Caracas, departure May 9, 1940. Then they were living in Caracas, Venezuela, possibly >from 1940 to at least 1951, when they emigrated to Denver, USA. He was a furrier. My questions are: -how can I find a manifest of passengers of the travel >from Rotterdam to Caracas? -how can I get information about their stay in Venezuela?" You might have luck with the Holland-American Line collection of outbound passenger record, since that was the line sailing from Rotterdam. The Family History Library has a microfilm or microfiche collection, but it is also available at the Rotterdam City Archives. This collection consists of passenger lists which transported numerous refugees >from war-torn Europe to the United States prior to 1941. The passenger lists show the name of the ship, its destination, and the date it left port. The passenger's name is included, along with various details of passage arrangements, fees, etc. Passenger lists are available >from 3 May 1900 through 14 October 1974. Original records are available through the Rotterdam City Archive (Gemeentearchief te Rotterdam), Netherlands. The text is handwritten in Dutch in a ledger type register. Passengers are listed by passage contract number. The names of the vessels were: Potsdam, Rotterdam, Nieuw Amsterdam, Statendam, Ryndam, Veendam, and Volendam. Here are some links to the Rotterdam collections, but most of the information is in Dutch: http://collecties.stadsarchief.rotterdam.nl/publiek/sub_navigeren.aspx?rootxml=180000549&openxml=180004046 [MOD. NOTE: shortened URL - http://goo.gl/oFU8Ef ] JewishGen has an infofile on the LDS fiche collection: http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/hollam.txt (The Los Angeles Family History Library has a copy of the fiche, but not sure how many other Libraries or Centers will have it, but you can usually order it.) Another group based in Indiana, the Gjenvick-Gjønvik Archives, has been indexing many Holland America outbound manifests, but none I think that went to South America. Still, their collections of photographs and cruise brochures may be interesting >from a historical standpoint: http://www.gjenvick.com/PassengerLists/Holland-AmericaLine/#axzz3WP6tMW2b (the Holland America Page) Home page with some interesting images: http://www.gjenvick.com/#axzz3WP6tMW2b Finally, an unofficial Holland America Line historical page details the history of where the line's ships were during the wartime years: http://www.halpostcards.com/unofficial/line6.html By May of 1940, the headquarters of the Line were transferred to Curacao in the Dutch West Indies, off Venezuela. After the German invasion the surviving Holland-America ships formed a very valuable reinforcement for cooperating with the British, and saw service all over the world. By reaching out to all these groups I'm sure you'll have success in locating the passenger record you seek. Pamela Weisberger pweisberger@... Santa Monica, CA |
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rebecca.blum@...
Hi Patrick,
I know we have discussed elsewhere that our "Atlas-family" are most likely not connected. However seeing this message made me reconsider - my ATLAS married into the ADEST-family and they also fled to Venezuela and resided in Caracas until most of the family went to the US. Maybe it is worth looking into? Best, Rebecca |
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Pieter Hoekstra
Speaking from experience I can say it is not likely you will find a ship sailing from Rotterdam to Caracas unless it was part of the Shell fleet of tankers. You should look for a ship from Netherlands to US where the person would most likely have caught a plane to Caracas...maybe not in 1939 but certainly from late 1940s onward, but travel to Venezuela would likely have been from a US city. Pieter Hoekstra <sold@...> |
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