Registration rules for birth certificates, marriage and death in Poland. #general


vangheluwe.smietan
 

Dear genners,

There are regularly in Poland delays in recording vital events:

Regarding births, the phenomenon is known and readily apparent:
there are sometimes delays of up to 16 years or until child is old
enough to marry. Lack of time due to the paternal work is so often mentioned.
I think there were fines, but I'm not sure: in any case, I know this
one of a child whose birth is declared several years after the event.
Then, his brother was this one who declares his birth, instead of the father
died in the meantime. His brother pretends to be an uncle of the child by
lying about his age and by indicating that he attended childbirth!
This attitude could really be explained by the possibility of a fine.

Regarding deaths, the phenomenon is quite rare, small and rather rural.
The explanation would take the dual need to bury the deceased
(which is not done in secret)and for rare delays to provide for travel
to the city where the event should be saved.

Regarding marriages, I wonder about a religious marriage celebrated in
Warsaw, the first time in December 1936 >from the wedding invitation card
and a second time in February 1939 >from the ad in the newspaper of the
Jewish community. (I do not have the registration of civil marriage.)
The only explanation I see implies the existence of a maximum legal delay
between the religious marriage and the civil marriage. I guess the official
demands that religious marriage is repeated when the engaged couple have been
slow to appear before him to formalize their civil union. I would like
mostly confirmation on this point.

Daniel Vangheluwe, FRANCE


vangheluwe.smietan
 

I want to complete my question or make some initial answers.

About marriages:

Here a religious marriage case followed by a civil marriage after a
delay of 5 years (1828-1833)

* See on
VM 49723: http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/responselist.asp?key=49723
the approximate translation does not formally establishes the
presence of a rabbi wich is precisly the groom's father or
(instead of the rabbi) of the groom's father.

Here are a religious marriage case not followed by a civil marriage
within a delay of 2 years(1891-1893)

* A revoked rabbi ; Read in the "Police Gazette", rewritted in
'Izraelita', Warsaw, 1893 december 1 and in 'Gazeta Warszawska',
Warsaw, 1893 november 25 ;
https://polona.pl/item/8010516/4/ and

http://ebuw.uw.edu.pl/dlibra/plain-content?id=93141

Icek GRYNCAJG, rabbi of the 5th district of Warsaw, despite the law,
did not register the marriage contracted by Hindensa (Hindesa) nee
GESUNDHEIT ( GEZUNDCHEJT) on july 16, 1891. Insofar as he has been
already tried twice guilty to breaking rules on vital registers,
the police commander of Warsaw sentenced him to pay a fine of 90 rubles
and to be prohibited by binding order >from practicing the rabbi business.

The marriage record Nr 442 dated December 12, 1893 is the last where
Icek GRYNCAJG appears as rabbi. He was replaced by Abram ZIBENBERG appointed
since 1888. Icyk GRCNZEUG (Icek GRYNCAJG) had been appointed upon before
1870.

These two cases seem to demonstrate that the tolerance of the
authorities and the time given to formalize a religious marriage
have changed over time.

Daniel Vangheluwe,
Sotteville les Rouen FRANCE