Resuming Lookups in NYC #general


A. E. Jordan
 

I am going to be resuming lookups in the New York area.

Generally I offer if anyone needs documents >from the New York Municipal
Archives or naturalizations or Manhattan probate. I will also be doing the
NY Public Library lookups.

I have not done anything since December so I think I have some old ones ...
or free to resend .. and for everyone else here's the details of what I offer:

Anyone who has availed my services in the past knows I have a sort of set
routine. On these trips I am basically working as your eyes and legs for people
who can not get to the Archives themselves. Generally what I do is transcribe
certificates (or buy copies) where you have already found the numbers >from the
online indexes or sometimes check for missing records with the tools at the
Archives.

Yes I can retrieve the City Clerk marriage licenses, the ones where the indexes
went on line recently, and up to 1950 is available at the Archives.

As a reminder I can only access births through 1909, marriages through 1937,
City Clerk licenses through 1950 (after that requires going to the marriage
bureau); and deaths through 1948.

I can also do the 1890 Police Census which is not online but that requires
very specific information >from you.

Also I can do naturalizations at the NY Supreme Court which is in the same
building and probates for Manhattan.

I ask everyone to cover the costs including the printing of certificates (if
you want them) which is $11 each plus to help offset my costs.

What I do is take the details you have and in the case of the Archives I
actually look at each certificate on the microfilm before placing the copy
order to make sure it is what you said it was. I am also willing to look and
see if things match up like parent's names or such before I buy it ... but
please don't ask me to looking at 20 or 30 certificates because they have a
similar name. Sometimes I have to clean up errors in transcription of numbers,
research >from your info to find the correct certificate number. etc.

I pay for the certificates and then trust you to reimburse me. (Sorry the
Archives does not permit digital pictures to avoid the printing costs.)

I can either scan and email or mail certificates. I type notes and email.

Please understand that generic searches when you only have vague details (like
Hirsch married Sima but that's all I know) or are trying to breakdown a
brickwall that you have been working at for years requires an investment of
time beyond a quick retrieval and I can not include in this offer.

I am always happy to discuss any and all research questions involving NYC area
look ups.

Allan Jordan


A. E. Jordan
 

Yes it is correct that indexes are available online but there are
numerous generalizations in this message which unfortunately are
misleading on the records. I repeat my offer to discuss in detail the
specifics of NYC records with anyone who has a question.

There is a lot of value in the individual records were the summaries
posted online. The LDS for example does not include all of the lines
in the summaries on FamilyHistory not to mention the issues of
handwriting interpretations. A lot of the data entry was done by
people not familiar with New York or Jewish customs so you find
inaccuracies in names for example.

The LDS has a lot of the New York City records but they are mostly
only available with an in person visit to the Family History Library
or Family History Center.

There are however also tools available at the Archives that help to
solve problems. The Archives has the original indexes on microfilm
and >from which many of the online indexes were built, Of course
there are errors or omissions in the online indexes which sometimes
can be solved by working with the microfilmed indexes.

It is correct that the Archives charges a much higher price but the
copies are certified records >from the Archives which some people
require when filing with a court or seeking to use one record to open
another. For example, with a certified death certificate >from the
Archives you in theory can get some of the birth certificates still
held at the Health Department. I say in theory because the Health
Department is difficult to work with and is trying to make the privacy
rules even more difficult but I have had some successes using this
method.

You also need to be careful because some of the online sources appear
to have the files but in many cases those records are incomplete. For
example the 1890 Police Census. The LDS index fails to supply a
critical bit of information which is the address and I have had numerous
instances where I have used the LDS index for this file and the person
in question is not where the index seems to indicate they are located.

The 1890 Police Census images that are on line are a tiny fraction of
the census. If you read Ancestry's description of the file you will see
that it says "These constitute 26 of the 894 extant books...: -- that's
about 3% of the census.

Many people om this list have worked with me in the past and I think you
all understand this is first and foremost a mitzvah to the community. I
enjoy the research challenges and helping others and am happy to assist
anyone who contacts me or offer you recommendations on how to advance
you research.

Allan Jordan

-----Original Message-----
From: Banai Lynn Feldstein

Allan offers look-ups in NYC, but I want to clarify to everyone what
is available for NYC without a visit to the Municipal Archives. You
may save yourself and Allan some time.


Banai Lynn Feldstein
 

Allan offers look-ups in NYC, but I want to clarify to everyone what
is available for NYC without a visit to the Municipal Archives. You
may save yourself and Allan some time.

FamilySearch has a huge number of NYC records available. In some
cases, they have an index online, and the images are browseable, but
they do not have a link between the two.

NYC Naturalizations are available online for most NYC area courts.
The major exception is the Bronx County Court; they have the index
but not the naturalization documents. Most other courts are available
online, >from your home, on FamilySearch. They are all indexed
somewhere online, sometimes on Ancestry, but those indexes give you
the information you need to find the record on FamilySearch. (Yes, NY
Supreme Court is on FamilySearch; the index is on Ancestry.)

NYC Vital Records -- births, marriages, and deaths -- are now
available >from FamilySearch but only >from within the Family History
Library (FHL) or a Family History Center (FHC). Again, the index on
FamilySearch does not link to those browseable images, but they are
easy to find using either the FamilySearch index, or ItalianGen,
and/or Steve Morse's site. Simply search the catalog for the film
number, then browse the film to find the record you need.

According to Allan, FamilySearch has the same births and marriages,
while the Municipal Srchive has a few more years of deaths available.

The marriage licenses are not available >from FamilySearch.
Additionally, stillbirths and some other records with S or D in the
certificate number are not at FamilySearch but I believe are at the
Municipal Archive.

The 1890 Police Census is available >from Ancestry. FamilySearch also
has an index online you can search >from home, and the images are
browseable >from their FHCs.

FamilySearch's browseable images may not always be found >from their
"Records" section. You may need to find the items in the "Catalog",
where you will find a camera icon next to the films. A camera with a
key over it means you must be in an FHC to see the images.

Remember that records >from FamilySearch are free, so if you can get
to an FHC, you do not need to pay for copies of many of the records.
Printing copies will cost money. I've heard that some centers charge
for saving digital copies, but not all and I don't know if that's
true of saving digitized copies or just for making new digital images
from films. (I don't think that saving something already digitized
will cost anything, but I only know the FHL in SLC, where scans are
always free.)

For records that are indexed on Ancestry, the FHC offers free access
to that site as well, as do some public libraries.

If you cannot get to an FHC or the FHL in Salt Lake City, there are
other people who can help you to retrieve the images. It just sounds
like Allan has a lot of work to do, and a backlog of requests, so
some of your requests could probably be found without his help and he
can concentrate on the records that are not otherwise available outside
of NYC.

Banai Lynn Feldstein

From: "A. E. Jordan" <aejordan@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 10:34:50 -0500

I am going to be resuming lookups in the New York area.

Generally I offer if anyone needs documents >from the New York Municipal
Archives or naturalizations or Manhattan probate. I will also be doing the
NY Public Library lookups.

Yes I can retrieve the City Clerk marriage licenses, the ones where
the indexes went on line recently, and up to 1950 is available at the
Archives.

As a reminder I can only access births through 1909, marriages through 1937,
City Clerk licenses through 1950 (after that requires going to the marriage
bureau); and deaths through 1948.

I can also do the 1890 Police Census which is not online but that requires
very specific information >from you.

Also I can do naturalizations at the NY Supreme Court which is in the same
building and probates for Manhattan.